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Just use Firefox.
The ceo is a bigoted asshole, Brave is chromium, it was initially funded by Peter Thiel and they’re literally just trying to make their own adsense network.
The self-proclaimed privacy focused browser is tracking your browsing and want to serve you personalized ads, and I think they want to use that tracking data for AI training as well, meaning other people can potentially access it.
And lets not forget about their crypto currency that you can earn by turning on special ads. Which they seemingly unironically called it “Basic Attent Tokens”…
TL;DR: The company is basically a sham company trying to usher in a dystopia. Where you’ll get paid for staring at ads, while having all your data stolen and sold back to you.
I see no reason to use any other browser than Firefox and maybe Librewolf.
So Mull browser, right?
Yeah top 4 browser are Firefox, librewolf, tor, and mullvad for sure.
mull and mullvad are at least two different things
Autocorrect so strong it turns your browser into a VPN
There is a Mullvad Browser.
Firefox on desktop is awesome. Firefox on mobile is painful.
Android firefox is ok now. Moreover now it supports add ons too and there are some good add ons there.
It’s a very small number of add-ons, but one of them is uBlock Origin, and that’s all I really want.
You can just change the list of supported add-ons to whatever you like.
Only if you tie your browser with an account at Mozilla. No way to do it without an account.
Only if you need your list. Otherwise you can just switch the list I’d to one including your extensions
Where can I change this list?
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In the settings under “custom add-on list”. You might need to enter dev mode, which you do by tapping the Firefox logo in the about menu 5 times (you get a toast with your progress).
After that you enter the userID ND the collection name in the popup and confirm.
Details:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/extended-add-support
And a reddit comment with a list you can use:
https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/j1ta1s/comment/g720d72/
If firefox gets more popular then maybe more add ons can appear…
at least they support add ons like CHROME
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What’s wrong with Firefox on iOS? I realise it’s WebKit with a Firefox skin, but it seems to work well enough.
User interface is poor. Cannot customise the gui at all so I feel like it’s a downgrade over Samsung browser that also supports ad blocks.
It works pretty well for me, but I use Firefox nightly.
I am using Brave on iOS mainly because of its superb YouTube support - It has a built in ad block, can download videos offline and play minimized. Is there any way I can achieve this with any other browser? I would switch immediately.
I am forced to use Chromium on my work laptop because MS Teams doesn’t work (all the features) on Firefox.
Edit: I should elaborate this a bit. There are 2 reasons why I use Chromium on my machine.
- If I face a problem, company tech team only knows Chrome and they start crying when I open Firefox.
- On Linux, the official way to use Teams is through a web-app and Firefox doesn’t support PWAs.
All other MS services function fine on Firefox.
Which features I’ve never had an issue
Same. I use furefox for everything* at work, despite everything being heavily integrated with teams, sharepoint, et.al.
*: The only thing that doesn’t work with firefox is this inhouse web service that hasn’t been updated since 2017. It’s about to be replaced anyway, so nobody bothered to fix/update it.
The custom background effects don’t work on Firefox
Simple one-to-one calling is disabled saying it’s only available on Chrome. I’m pretty sure it’s recent since I had calls a few months back on Firefox. I’m also sure that it’s not some group policy since I’m on Ubuntu without any sort of ActiveDirectory so it’s a pure browser issue. Also, they force the old UI in Firefox due to some reason. Typical BS from Microsoft.
Does changing user agent mitigate some of those issues?
In a just world, the fact of changing the user agent fixing the issues would make for a slam-dunk anti-trust case.
If you confront Microsoft with this, then they will say they don’t have enough resources to test “thousands” of browsers which is why they have restricted their efforts to Chromium only, while making billions of dollars in profits each year.
It really should, no doubt, but this is not a perfect world
I’ve tried it today and yeah, 1-to-1 calls magically/unsurprisingly start working. In fact, the whole UI gets a facelift and lots of new features.
If I had to guess, I’d say Microsoft keeps around a version of their UI, which hasn’t been maintained in over a year, and serves that to anyone initiating communication with a user-agent string they don’t like.
If that’s true, that’s a massive security vulnerability. Admittedly, also unsurprising for Microsoft. @xavier666@lemm.ee
Thanks a lot for this…time to get an extension.
Wow, that’s egregious on so many levels!
This kind of browser apartheid should be illegal
I use Firefox as my primary browser and run the teams app.
they start crying when I open Firefox.
Good. Use it anyway, and bathe in their tears!
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They claim to be decent, but it’s closed source so who knows…
The fact that their founder wants to ban gay marriage is enough reason for me to avoid it like the plague.
He fucking what?
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The codebase is irrelevant, I’ve already rated it, it’s another blink clone. As a product, on the other hand, you should definitely practice responsible consumerism. Aligning your values with your consumption is a good thing.
Totally agree. Why make someone richer who you ethically don’t align to. It just makes their agenda easier.
That’s why we’re all here instead of adding to Spez’s IPO.
Right, because it was totally his views in general, not just lack of API access…
Edit: Sorry guys, you’re right, the surge of Lemmy users that correspond to the hour of API access loss was DEFINITELY just coincidental.
In particular, it was his view that he can impose himself on the community in such a way that takes us steps closer to a walled garden.
Tbh it was a bit of both for me. The API access was one thing, but the response to the backlash was revealing towards his views. The protest against the API access was focused on business, the backlash to Spez’s actions in response was focused on him.
One was a reflection of the other.
Personally I’m here because of the way he went about trying to bully people who demonstrated against the API change.
I don’t really care about the API change myself because I didn’t even indirectly use it.
So yeah, it’s exactly not wanting to put money on the hands of such a person.
Don’t really know Brave, don’t really know its CEO, am a little iffy on the whole screwing of people’s livelihoods due to their personal political leanings but can see how people would not want to put money in the hands of a guy who wants to make a subset of people miserable (by forbidding them to marry those they love) for no good reason (no mature and mentally healthy person goes around judging other people’s love on the gender of whom they love).
Whilst I think that even haters should be able to survive (even they have basic human rights) it’s fair enough if their chances at prosperity beyond mere survival are negativelly affected by them being haters: after all, making life shit for others is fine with them, so as I see it, live by the sword die by the sword.
Thank you for taking the time to write such a down-to-earth and insightful comment! I totally agree with each of your points. Same reason I would never shop at Walmart/Sam’s Club, get takeout from Chic fil a, drive a Tesla, sleep on a MyPillow, etc.
The API was only the tip of the iceberg. When he came out and said he basically worships Elon and what he did to twitter I knew things weren’t going to improve.
I didn’t care about the api, I browsed via browser. The spez ama made me want to puke so I found this place.
Yea his views and actions matter.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time I use Lemmy. I disagree with its developers political views, but I believe they are doing something good for society. So maybe sometimes it’s good to make an exception.
Same reason people who boycott chic a filet over LGBT issues, it has nothing to do with the quality of their product it’s about not supporting someone who’s views and opinions are that only some people deserve equality.
Voting with your wallet is more effective than simply vocalizing disagreement while still supporting their product.
Everyone has a price when it comes to “can I still use/enjoy X when the author did seemingly unrelated thing Y”.
For example, can you still enjoy the music of The he Lost Prophets? I can’t.
Most poeple responding said that it has nothing to do with it, but I would add that someone who has these view is more likely to implement unethical features
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It’s a boycott, not a code review.
I got my OS from north Korea, why on earth would I not trust it explicitly with any and all of my families information?
because the guys here are dumb woketards
I dont know why anyone would leave chrome and land on something like brave.
If youre ditching chrome, which you should, go to an actual different browser and use Firefox.
I have absolutely no idea how Brave got the reputation it has. It’s business model is disgusting and extortionate, it’s like paying for warez. Been clear as day since day one.
Brave is a marching band of red flags. It claims privacy while injecting ads, affiliate codes and crypto into the browser. It’s kind of sad to see someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side and pretend this is all fine. It isn’t.
Best advice I could give for anyone who wants privacy is use Firefox or a branch of it. Firefox is out of the box the most privacy conscious mainstream browser and add-ons make it more so. If you want absolute privacy you could even use a derivative like Tor Browser.
someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side
LOL, he inflicted Javascript upon the world. He never knew better and was always on the dark side.
JavaScript is a victim of its own popularity. It was originally meant to be scripting glue to do little actions in the browser while the real work was done in Java (LiveConnect) apps. But Java got jettisoned, JavaScript became more important and became the thing we love and hate today.
JavaScript is a victim of its own popularity.
No, that’s not the issue. If Javascript were well-designed we wouldn’t hate it, but it wasn’t.
Most of the examples listed there are issues that don’t affect real applications. It’s just garbage code, so the output ends up being garbage too. Programmers don’t write code like that, unless they are doing it as a joke. A few of those examples can be real issues sometimes, but they are not that big of a deal to an experienced JavaScript programmer.
It’s an imperfect language like any other.
but they are not that big of a deal to an experienced JavaScript programmer.
A well-designed language wouldn’t require “experience” for stupid gotchas like these to not be that big of a deal in the first place.
After all, I’m sure a sufficiently “experienced programmer” could adapt to anything up to and including fucking Malbolge if necessary, but that doesn’t mean it’s equal to a language that’s actually good.
Differences in quality between languages are real, and Javascript is closer to the bad end of that spectrum.
Every language is gonna be weird if you don’t know it well enough. In Lua arrays start with index 1. Is it weird? Yes. But do Lua programmers care? Probably not.
The stuff that many people say is bad in JavaScript is usually irrelevant. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t bad parts like the Date api or the lack of types is a flaw to many people. Those are actually important issues. In this case they are solved by libraries and TypeScript. The performance is also a problem in some applications. Which is why there is WebAssembly, which can help in some cases.
So there are plenty of real flaws that can be pointed out, but you have to know the language to be able to tell what actually matters. To me it doesn’t seem any worse than any other modern language.
Louis Rossmann also recommended Brave in one of his videos. Quite sad.
I like a fair amount of his videos but he has a big ole bag of bad takes
Love everything he criticizes (corporate greed, drm, wasteful planned obsolescence, unrepairable disposable device design) are all incentivized and rewarded under Capitalism … but since he’s a small business owner he still supports the idea of Capitalism.
He gets so close.
Exactly my thoughts. He’s like right on the edge but to me it seems he has some cognitive dissonance re capitalism
Informative and unfortunate
heh… I got that
Brodie Robertson also uses Brave. Quite sad x2.
These people talking as if not all the crypto bloat would be opt in lol. It just take 30 seconds or even less to turn off everything of that.
Brave is more secure than Firefox out of the box.
At one point they were scummy enough to automatically add their referral codes to any Amazon link you see. Lots of people today still mindlessly recommend Brave, and that’s what’s wrong in general with the “but the UX is so nice” mentality.
Yeah, fuck this guy.
First, I have been online for almost 30 years. I’ve led an open source project for 14 years. I speak regularly at conferences around the world, and socialize with members of the Mozilla, JavaScript, and other web developer communities. I challenge anyone to cite an incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.
So I hid my hatred from everyone for 30 years successfully. Now that everyone finds out that I donated to a cause to strip them of rights everyone wants to say I’m hateful? Give me one example where I displayed hatred…how about the time you donated to strip people of their rights? That might be a big one for me.
The fact that its main 2 gimmicks are a shitty ad blocker and integrated cryptocurrency should be enough of a red flag, honestly. Just use Firefox, people!
Firefox is king 👑
So the CEO is a raging alt-righter. Glad I never used his product then.
the hateful browser
Holy shit man imagine if we judged every huge project by one asshole at the top. There wouldn’t be a single thing to enjoy in this world.
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I am going to add more perspective to this, because holy shit people are so into eating nothing burgers.
Reddit/Twitter was a database and API that everyone was centralized onto, there was no choice. Brave you can literally fork because its open source. Aside from that this was literally the CEO’s personal donation of $1000…in like 2014. Almost 10 yrs ago.
Elon, as CEO and on the X/Twitter brand:
- “brainwashed” https://www.news18.com/buzz/elon-musk-causes-uproar-with-anti-lgbtq-anti-vax-meme-insults-random-twitter-user-6714733.html
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musks-twitter-makes-millions-off-anti-lgbt-groomer-tweets-report
- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-new-twitter-pronoun-rule-invites-bullying-lgbtq-groups-say-rcna87336
- https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/21/elon-musk-triples-down-on-making-twitter-terrible-for-trans-people/
Meanwhile Brendan:
- Literally stepped down as CEO https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/brendan-eich-resigns-as-mozilla-corporation-ceo/
- https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/brendan-eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-ceo/
- made personal blog post about inclusivity shortly after https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
- invented and worked on/for javascript, brave, firefox
Gnubyte
Vivaldi? Trusting a closed sourced application for privacy? What?
Not even defending brave here, just weird that the author say that.
Today I learned that people take it VERY PERSONALLY when you criticize their chosen browser. 😂