That’s morphemes, rather than a phonetic alphabet, right? Unless the whales have become literate?
They’re putting chemicals in the water, making the frickin whales literate!
Every time someone references the frog quote from Alex Jones, I always end up hearing it with a techno beat
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We’re confusing a few different terms here - a phone in a phonetic “inventory” (let’s use that term instead of alphabet) is just a unit of sound*. A morpheme is a unit of meaning.
And we won’t know which is which in whale-tongue** until we can confirm what any one word means. (See: “Arrival”)
*theres more to it but I’m tired so I’m not explaining
** what’s the teeth grill thing they eat krill with? let’s use that instead of “tongue” 🤪
Thank you, I was mixing up terms. I suppose I was thinking of phonemes, but I see they’re also not purely the sound… Though (I didn’t actually read the article yet!) I wondered if that is what they think they found: units of sound that can vary in exact audio/phonetic expression but ‘mean’ the same sound to the whales. (And from which longer audible communication structures are built.)
Okay, side thought, since I’m also tired and don’t feel like looking things up properly:
In simple communication, such as one might assume whale-baleen* to be, perhaps a one to one mapping of phonemes to morphemes is likely.
*I think the baleen is that krill-filtering thing you were after?
AI: “I speak whale”
The rest of the world: “No you don’t”
You just CAN’T, Nemo! I mean AI
We’re going to end up finding that they’re racist, aren’t we?
Well, if that means they are talking shit about humans, they are probally justified.
I don’t know about whales, but dolphins are well known to be absolute degenerates.
I wonder if they HATE dolphins
We’ll find out all they say is “dangit it’s wet over here too.”
They speak fucking Entish. One letter at a time. Take a goddamn year to say a sentence.
I have a whale friend and he filled me in:
IMMMMMMMM BOOOOOOORRRREDDDDD
SOOOOOOO BOOOOORRREEEDDD
Man the AI translations of all those calming tracks are gonna be wild, were gonna hear some sweet old whale gossip.
“Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii’mmmm hooooooooooooorneeeeeeeeeey caaaaaaaaaaaaaaan aaaaanyyyyyyooooneeee heeeeeeeeeaaar meeeeeeeeeee ooooooooveeeeeeeer theeeeeeseee fuuuuuuuuuuckiiiing boooooooooooats?”
OK real talk if we start understanding whales and they have lives and feelings. What are we gonna do about compensation for using their property and destroying it. Like are we gonna genocide the whales when we discover we owe them like a trillion dollars
If? They definitely do.
Do they have any documentation it was their property? No? Well, we’re going to genocide them anyway, that’s our thing.
Wait until they start sinking our Amazon boats
This reminds be of the book Hyperion in which there was this paradise ocean world planet, Maui-Covenant. Maui-Covenant had motile isles, giant plant/animal moving islands. They were herded by dolphins. Humans made a device that could translate and talk to the dolphins. All the dolphins committed suicide when the hegemony of man (some sort of capitalistic state) arrived and ruined the planet to extract all the oil.
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Would you mind giving examples of these “alien” conversations?
I don’t think I’ll read this book, so I don’t mind if there are spoilers…
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Understood. Very interesting! Thanks!
Hyperion? Dan Simmons?
All I remember were the Time Tombs
Perfect, my whole life I dreamed of speaking whale. Now I will be able to understand my mother-in-law.
Genuinely interesting. Perhaps they’d have something to teach us. We humans could use the help. 😏
“Stop genocide.”
Oh right right. We’ll get right on that didn’t realize it was a big deal.
“Poisoning the ocean is like, not cool man” 🐋
I’d hate to know how they’d feel if they knew how humans would respond to this…
There are whales today who were alive when their family were killed by whalers in the 19th century.
Think about that. They know.
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Good bot.
Sure it can work out the structure of language but without context will it ever be able to decrypt the actual meaning?
“Fuck that boat.”
“Yeah, let’s go sink it.”
- Orcas
Correct, no one REALLY knows anything until you can reliably “say” sound X and, I guess, observe them do reaction Y which would suggest it means word Z. I guess because I don’t know because I’m not a xenolinguist which also no known human is one of those yet
we’re so fucked.
Fuck Yes
that’s… One of the responses.
This is the shit I’m alive for. Fucking amazing.
