I’ll go first…
My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024
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Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.
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Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.
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Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I’m on
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Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don’t know how but there’s FediVideo.
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Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.
BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately
WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog…RIP.
For me it’s definitely Lemmy. I don’t like the microblogging format and never have. I’ve always used forums and then reddit.
The fediverse just works so well with Lemmy I think. It’s so fun seeing new communities from instances I’ve never heard of. I think this format is perfect for the fediverse
I like it too. :)
I only use Lemmy, so… Lemmy.
I understand that.
Lemmy is a handy platform.
Pretty sure Kbin is dead and gone, might want to update your tree.
I think fedia.io seems to scratch the itch
I‘m pretty sure fedia.io is running on mbin, a clone of kbin that is still being maintained.
I joined SLRPNK.net shortly before kbin kicked the bucket and I quite like the user interface and customisation options here, even if I don’t comment much these days.
Also as the pessimistic misanthrope doomer I am, I was originally getting a bit of a kick out of how painfully naive and optimistic the hippies here were/are. I just try to ignore it now though tbh as it’s depressing.
FYI there is Mbin, the fork of Kbin
I feel like there’s still a pretty big gap in the drawing / art space. I want something that works like the furry art sites all work, which means (a) art posts and text posts separated into distinct feeds, and (b) thumbnails in a grid instead of a vertical timeline. I built a web app to do this but unfortunately it’s single-user (and basically locked to the Azure cloud). In the meantime, Pixelfed works pretty well for following Mastodon artists.
The problem with any media heavy content is storage. Fediverse is diy, mom’s basement servers. Who’s going to pay for all the storage?
Ackchually, most of the Fediverse runs on professionally-operated Hetzner rack iron at huge data centres in Germany.
Even if this comes from 22% of the Fediverse being mastodon.social.
I was a Mastodon artist before, but then I almost left the Fediverse and came back restarting my entire social status also.
I have characters, but no inspriation.
Plus, I killed off my WordPress websites because the CEO was setting a bad example.
Lemmy, shortly followed by Piefed.
Will probably switch once Piefed gets mobile apps support and comments view
What’s so good about PieFed?
Much more advanced moderation tools: https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
Actual instance blocking compared to the incomplete “mute communities” instance blocking on Lemmy
Development seems fasters than Lemmy, they are almost at feature parity while being much younger
On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:
- Hiding downvoted comments (mob rule)
- Marking people with many downvotes as “low reputation”. I get it, getting many downvotes is a bad sign but I don’t think the software should try to make a ruling here, I think human moderators should look at the whole picture. It doesn’t make you a bad person that people disagree with you.
- Communities organized into “topics” - I’m not certain if these groupings are decided by the dev or the admin? Either way I find it a bit problematic.
- Marking certain communities as “low effort” and not counting “reputation” for those. I don’t feel like the software should be making this kind of value judgement.
If it helps:
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this is controlled by a user setting. I left the one that automatically “collapses” comments below a threshold at the default, but I disabled the one that “hides” comments by setting the threshold to -10000. So, far from taking away user power, it strictly enhances choices by providing new options, only at the user’s behest.
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it does have such a “reputation” feature, as too does life. Someone who constantly trolls others gets rather “known” for such. But crucially, it’s a label - it doesn’t hide anything, only enhances what is already there. And yeah it’s a bit of an experiment, perhaps it won’t work. Or perhaps it will be improved further? Based on the above and the responsiveness of the devs, I would expect complete control if features were ever added to actually do anything wrt this score.
Btw apps already have something similar, as too does PieFed, when adding a label for new accounts - bc people have asked for it, and it can be helpful to know when talking with someone that they are a new account (perhaps they are an alt, but it’s something, and again it’s just a label).
Yeah, I constantly get downvoted - and some of my posts are among the most heavily downvoted content existing in certain communities (but I also note that such things as Innuendo Studios The Alt Right Playbook got heavily downvoted by the same community as well so… I feel vindicated:-). So I mean it when I say that believe me I KNOW what you mean when expressing those concerns. Perhaps the experiment won’t work out, or perhaps it merely needs tuning - e.g. so that any one post or comment doesn’t weigh so heavily but rather only their aggregate (median rather than mean perhaps? or maybe only the binary choice of positive or negative total score, and even then perhaps not centered at zero but something more highly negative like -10?).
Also PieFed.social has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so those sources of downvoting are entirely removed. It also preferentially weights scores more highly feedback from those with high reputation already - which state I achieved in roughly a week and with only two posts, one a cross-post of the other even. So it’s not like seniors are locking out the noobs.
Anyway yes there’s enormous potential for misuse there, but it’s also something that people have been clamoring for - so it’s something that they are being responsive enough to try it out?
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I’m not sure about the categories - but again the devs are very responsive so surely easy to change things? Also I’ve definitely joined communities that aren’t in those, and while there are large federation issues with any non-Lemmy.World instance right now (I see the same from many instances including my 2 alt accounts elsewhere - so it has little to nothing to do with PieFed; especially after the enormous surge in content surrounding the USA election), I believe that they show up in the main feed.
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I have never heard that before but I would support it - more “experimental” communities should be allowed, to try things out, a “safe space” if you will:-).
All of these are valid concerns - and seem like they are being worked on.
Honestly assigning a label to users that everyone can see based on other users’ opinions seems like a bad idea anyway you put it. Independent of it’s intention, it can stifle constructive arguments, encourage mass alt accounts, cause classism and mobbing. There is a Black Mirror episode with this exact premise where it impacts your real life reputation, people’s perceptions of you & what you’re allowed to do.
It doesn’t really help for me, but the beauty of the fediverse is that it doesn’t have to. You can like PieFed, I can prefer Lemmy and we can both still talk :)
Absolutely 💯!
And truth be told, we don’t know what the future holds as well. As moderation tools improve on Lemmy.World, as communities evolve, and new concepts rise to the foreground e.g. PieFed, and also Sublinks, both on top of Mbin too.
A year ago I thought one way about e.g. communities located on Lemmy.ml, then time passed and I changed my mind. Then technology changed and I switched instances to follow.
What I am saying is: it is so fantastic to have choices! ☺️ THAT is the real win in this situation, IMHO, whether I end up liking PieFed’s approach or not. 🏆
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I looked thru this blog hopeful that there would be protection against mod abuse. Instead you can get banned for downvoting? I don’t want to be looking over my back because some dipshit mod had a bad take. This is generating way too much analytical data on users. Communities don’t need empowered super mods treating users like numbers on a spreadsheet. Lemmy for sure has problems (ml) but this isn’t the answer.
Lemmy admins can already see who downvotes what, I’m sure they already ban accounts who systematically downvote their communities content
It’s a tool. If some admins power trip, well report them on [email protected]
Mods can also see votes in communities they moderate, lemmy-ui just doesn’t show the option (and no other client, to my knowledge, has the feature).
But wont you lose like 99% of the user base? Or is it cross compatible?
PieFed communicates with Lemmy. Same content, different platform. That’s one awesome thing about federation.
There is also mbin (fork of kbin), and Sublinks, which is API compatible with Lemmy so should be able to use Lemmy apps with it (from memory, this is what Beehaw are hoping to move to).
Hello from PieFed - yes it works.:-)
Piefed just needs an api, then we can add supoort as app developers.
@VanHalbgott I like friendica, it works with Lemmy, microblogging platforms, and macroblogging platforms. I’m maybe not online as much as the average user (and often read fediverse content via bridges instead of nativly), so it’s a nice consolation of everything. It also supports rich text and higher char limits for more nuanced posts/replies.
Cool.
Unfortunately, Lemmy is the only one with content that appeals to me so far (at least to my knowledge, given the near-unsearchable nature of the fediverseso far). The platforms just aren’t large enough.
Iirc Mastodon is about to add a global search function. I’ve never used it, nor even Twitter (back before it was cancelled into X), just passing on what I heard.
And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of “Lemmy” (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).
And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of “Lemmy” (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).
It is quite an old graphic.
I am finding I like Mastodon the best. Lemmy has potential, but I think the political extremism and lack of hobbyist culture here currently, mixed with the incredibly confusing on-boarding process beginners have to navigate, along with the name, all contribute to making it DOA.
Events is missing Gancio. Its worth a look :)
How is matrix even considered a fediverse platform lol? It largely exists independently from the rest of the ecosystem. I do appreciate the representation tho because this is fairly decent free advertising and id like to see it grow
I guess because it can federate with other servers and protocols?
Idfk lol hopefully its possible to use matrix inside mastoclones or lemmy, probably a much better alternative to the less secure direct messages they offer natively
Hubzilla. Closely followed by the intentionally nameless fork of a fork… of Hubzilla that’s colloquially being referred to as (streams).
Perks of both (excerpt):
- not based on ActivityPub, it’s actually optional; you can turn/keep it off if you want to
- nomadic identity; my channels are resilient against instance shutdown because they aren’t restricted to one instance
- multiple channels = IDs on one and the same account/login; no need to register additional user accounts for this, and you can easily switch back and forth between channels
- OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, both client-side and server-side support
- very extensive permission settings that let me control what I see, what I don’t see and what others can see and do
- per-contact permission settings
- per-channel blacklist/whitelist filter plus per-contact blacklist/whitelist filters plus keyword-triggered, automatically generated, reader-side content warnings, supporting regex and (except the latter) a special filter syntax for extra features
- what’s “lists” on Mastodon is actually useful because you can use it both to filter your stream and to limit whom you send a post to, not to mention much easier to maintain
- a concept of conversations, you can follow entire discussions, and you generally receive all replies to a post (something that at least Mastodon doesn’t have, by the way)
- not only native support for discussion groups/forums, but they can and do host their own moderated discussion groups/forums (Mastodon has neither)
- no arbitrary character limits, characters only limited by the instance database (on (streams), that’s theoretically over 24,000,000 characters for one post)
- probably more text formatting options than your typical blogging platform and definitely more than any microblogging project in the Fediverse
- full-blown blog posts rendered gracefully
- non-standard BBcode tags for special features, often observer-aware
- embedded links; no need to plaster URLs into your posts in plain sight
- images can be embedded “in-line” within the post with text above them and text below them
- no limit on how many images a post can have
- unlimited poll options
- multiple-word hashtags
- post categories in addition to hashtags
- tag cloud plus category cloud/list
- quotes
- “quote-tweets”
- extensively customisable Web UI
- built-in file storage with a built-in file manager, per-file and per-directory permissions settings and WebDAV support that’s used for images and other media you embed in your posts (unlike on Mastodon and Lemmy, you know where your uploaded images land, and you can delete them yourself if you need to)
- federated event calendar with support for Event-type objects
- built-in CalDAV calendar server (headless on (streams))
- built-in CardDAV address book server (headless)
- support for OAuth and OAuth2
- modular; can be extended with official or, if available, third-party “apps”, widgets and themes
Extra perks of Hubzilla:
- currently more reliable
- more active development
- easier to get new users on board because hubs are listed on various Fediverse sites, and more public hubs are available
- newer and more configurable version of the Redbasic theme
- switchable night mode
- multiple profiles per channel which can be assigned to certain connections
- you can configure new connections before you confirm them
- can also connect to diaspora*
- can also subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds
- event calendar also doubles as a basic frontend for the CalDAV server
- non-federating, long-form articles
- “cards” that work largely the same
- built-in wiki engine based on either BBcode or Markdown for as many wikis of your own as you want to, each with as many pages as you want
- support for webpages (the official Hubzilla website is on a Hubzilla channel itself)
Extra perks of (streams):
- more advanced
- better integration of ActivityPub into the two supported nomadic protocols
- contact suggestions also include ActivityPub contacts
- new default theme in addition to an older Redbasic version
- reworked, more powerful but easier-to-use permissions system
- easier to use once you’re on board
- supports BBcode, Markdown and HTML within the same post
- can set Mastodon’s sensitive flag for images
- built-in announcement/boost/repost/renote/repeat remover, no need to use filter syntax for that
- extra protection against both mention spam and hashtag spam
- alt-text can be added to images upon upload, no need to graft it into the image-embedding markup code
- verification of external identities (available on Mastodon as well, but not on Hubzilla)
Nextcloud is federated? First time I hear about that.
For me it’s Lemmy, without a doubt. Never used Twitter, tried mastodon to see what it’s all about, didn’t like it.
Matrix seems decent, but nobody I know uses it, and finding useful groups is painful, especially on other instances (servers, whatever they call them).
Also, I am confused at why nextcloud is at the intersection of networking, music, and multimedia.
Yes it technically has a video viewer and music player, but I would be very surprised if any person in the world right now is genuinely using it to post that content to the fediverse social-network style.
Nextcloud is federated?
https://nextcloud.com/blog/federation-a-foundational-concept-for-digital-sovereignty/
Lemmy & Bluesky until that eventually falls off or Mastodon decides to improve itself
Here on Lemmy is my favorite considering that’s what I use most on the Fediverse. Second would be the only other one I use: Mastodon.
- Mbin
- Misskey forks (I use CherryPick, but Sharkey is good too)
- PeerTube
- PieFed
- Mastodon
