• Pup Biru@aussie.zone
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    7 hours ago

    Under semantic versioning everything after vista has been in essence a new version of vista.

    okay but using that logic everything running linux kernel v5 is the same… fedora, ubuntu, rhel are in essence just a reskin of slackware

    an OS is not semantically versioned as a whole because an OS is more than just the kernel

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      5 hours ago

      I mean they are all literally the same operating system yah! They all use the same kernel APIs.

      The logical conclusion is that from an operating system they are all basicly the same.

      The main difference is the user space. The package management and defaults.

      Look at Debian GNU/kFreeBSD it’s a whole different operating system with the Debian user space. It’s cool stuff and really highlights the difference between operating system and user space.

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        5 hours ago

        an operating system is far more than just the kernel

        there are few people who would say that android is the same operating system as ubuntu

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          But it literally is the same. The only difference is the user space. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD shows this. Different operating system same user space.

          Take a look at Wikipedia for more info.

          An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources, and provides common services for computer programs. Time-sharing operating systems schedule tasks for efficient use of the system and may also include accounting software for cost allocation of processor time, mass storage, peripherals, and other resources.

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            an operating system is comprised of the kernel, as well as system libraries and system utilities… user space is irrelevant to the classification of what is and isn’t an operating system: the concept of user space doesn’t even exist in some operating systems

            the concept of a kernel isn’t even useful to define operating systems… look at things like ROS for example

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              If you define it that way you are right. Yah. But the common understanding is a bit different than yours.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

              Really great read.

              I urge you to take a look at https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ It’s the exact same utilities and everything but a completely different kernel. It really highlights the difference here. How would your definition account for this?

              Would Debian GNU/kFreeBSD be 50% Linux, 50% FreeBSD under your definition even though it has no Linux code? It has all the system libraries and system utilities that you associate with Linux.

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                5 hours ago

                But the common understanding is a bit different than yours.

                the common understanding is that android is a different operating system to ubuntu, and macos is a different operating system to openbsd

                Would Debian GNU/kFreeBSD be 50% Linux, 50% FreeBSD under your definition even though it has no Linux code?

                it is what it is: a completely different thing… BSD system tools with a linux kernel

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                  You’re gunna do you and use your own definitions and I respect that. But the first line from the page is

                  Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD’s kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.

                  It is literally GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD’s kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set

                  You can say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is BSD system tools with a Linux kernel but you would be evidently and clearly wrong.

                  Anyways. I wish you well. Best of luck.

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                    5 hours ago

                    okay, sorry i got the kernel and system tools mixed up in my head after reading it. that proves nothing other than the fact that you’re looking for a gotcha rather than a serious discussion