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Canada’s ruling Liberal Party has elected Mark Carney as its new leader and therefore Prime Minister, setting up a face-off between the former central banker and US President Donald Trump.
On Sunday afternoon the Liberal party announced Carney had won the contest to replace Justin Trudeau, who stepped down as leader in January after months of party infighting and poor polling.
However, celebrations for Carney and his team in Ottawa will be shortlived as Canada faces a trade war with its southern neighbour. Trump has threatened to levy broad tariffs on Canada’s imports and taunted that the country should become the 51st state of the US.
Carney is expected to immediately replace Trudeau, who was at the Liberal party event on Sunday.
It sure seems like the Russians are just attacking any liberal leader, mounting extensive influence operations to get the ordinary people of their countries to hate them and want to get rid of them (and often to replace them with monsters, if any particular monsters are available).
I have not the first idea at all about Carney, I just know Trudeau. He seemed fine. I also have no particular evidence about the Russians being the ones who are doing all this, but the pattern of liberal leaders having all these wild uprisings against them which gets rid of them in the end seems absolutely unmistakable. And little pieces of the uprisings definitely show a consistent pattern of Russian influence, always in precisely the same direction, when little indications show through the cracks.
And, it definitely seems like a significant problem.
This wasn’t some wild uprising, though. Canadians vote politicians out, that’s nothing new.
Trudeau and his Liberal party were seen as arrogant and out of touch. I don’t know that Carney is any better in that regard given his ties to the big shitty businesses which are ruining our society, but he’s certainly more financially literate than Trudeau was and people want that right now. He’s certainly qualified for the job.
Russia can eat a dick, but Liberal governments are spending enough time eating their own faces. They need to earn back the trust of their populace if they want to beat back Russian influence because these conditions are what makes it so easy.
Trudeau and his Liberal party were seen as arrogant and out of touch. I don’t know that Carney is any better in that regard given his ties to the big shitty businesses which are ruining our society, but he’s certainly more financially literate than Trudeau was and people want that right now. He’s certainly qualified for the job.
See this is exactly what I was talking about.
Who decided that the vibe was that Trudeau was “arrogant and out of touch”? Who decided that a totally different politician – surely one who is equally arrogant and out of touch, on a personal level – was “financially literate” and “certainly qualified for the job”?
…the voters did when polled or asked. There’s other reasons but that is a big one.
For question two, the rest of the Liberal party decided that.
Like, are you at all informed about Canadian politics at the moment or are you just shooting from the hip?
Edit: Carney is not a politician, btw. I mean, sure, now he is. But that’s not his background. He is an outsider politically speaking.
Yes, but why do the voters think that? The voters in America thought that Trump would be better on the economy. Why on earth did they think that? It’s a very weird thing for them to think. They have a lot of those weird beliefs that definitely aren’t reality, and have to come from somewhere. Or, maybe they have some kind of grain of truth, but they get blown up into these hugely important things, that emotionally resonate. “He’s arrogant and out of touch” is a perfect example of one of those things.
Like I say, I’m not saying the voters don’t genuinely think that. I am asking where they got that idea.
I actually don’t know the answer, even as far as America and Trump being good for the economy. And I don’t think the answer for America, at least about that instance, is clearly “Russians,” for what it’s worth. And also yes I am totally uninformed about Canadian politics. I just know that with these kind of vibes-based judgements about politicians, it’s almost always based on some kind of bullshit.
- George Bush is the kind of guy you can have a beer with
- John Kerry is aloof and arrogant
- Al Gore is kooky and also arrogant
- Donald Trump is good at business, he can fix the economy
That kind of thing. It’s very malleable. You might as well say that Trudeau is a man of the people, because he was a drama teacher, and this other guy is from a bank, he’s a banker, he’s greedy, he’s everything that’s wrong with society today. It’s just kind of vibes and random judgements. Or, at least, when I look at it within American politics, that’s what it is.
Republican propaganda, that’s how.
Conservatives’ (incorrect) belief that republicans are better with money is very deeply entrenched. They don’t ever think about it critically. And the propagand machine has been reinforcing it for decades.
I’m pretty sure people thought Trump would be good at economics literally just because of the Apprentice. Manny more people in the US watch reality TV than have any real understanding of politics. Look at all the Trump voters who literally seemed to have no idea he would do any of the things he very loudly said he was going to do. They just remember him being the boss guy who was supposedly good at business from that one show they watched about business.
Haha, yes, an outsider central banker! The solution to the little guy’s problems! No politics experience at all, the perfect man to defeat fascism!
Thanks for your well rounded contribution. Yes, in the context it was written, he is a political outsider. No need to be so sensitive about it.
I’m of the opinion he will be more of the same while being quieter about things than Trudeau was, but people sort of want some financial literacy within government and Trudeau’s Liberals were not that. Carney certainly wouldn’t be my first choice but looking at the other options it’s not rocket science to see why he was chosen.
He’s not an “outsider” he is the system.
He’s a political outsider. I’d love to hear about all of the political experience he has that don’t make him an outsider POLITICALLY. I’ll wait.
Mark Carney is 100% pro status quo, pro establishment, pro big business. We can agree on that without being so dramatic.
And if we can’t avoid being dramatic, then I’ll pose a dramatic question based on your response in a manner similar to your responses. If Mark Carney IS the system, then our problems go away if he’s not elected, right? After all, you said he IS the system, not a part of it.
Oh he’s been losing popularity for a while now. There is a reason why he had a minority gov this time. I don’t think a pm was ever able to stay 4 mandate in canada?
Bro those are the facts. Trudeau was drama teacher before jumping into politics. Carney was governor of the bank of England, then governor of the bank of Canada. As for his arrogance, if you don’t think he is you haven’t paid attention to Canadian politics.
He’s been prime minister for like 10 years, like 3 elections. People in democracies get tired of leaders after a while.
The Russian playbook is very real. They want to rule the world.
https://washingtonspectator.org/project-russia-reveals-putins-playbook/
Not clear why you need to bring up Russophobia on every topic. Plenty of US right wing and oil funding for destabilizing Canada, all the while supporting the demonism of war on Russia, by pretending that high diesel/home heating fuel was the result of carbon tax. The full CIA puppetry of all western political leaders meant never addressing the actual cause of fuel inflation, and if a Russian narrative could reach Canadians/west, it would point out the extreme hypocricy of such attacks.
The point of your anti-Russia claims, with even the more absurd “US wants Greenland to gift it to Russia”, is that every response to a US empire/oligarch enshittification is to escalate vs Russia.
Not that unprogrammed Canadians exist, but the only hope for the country is to de-escalate against the enemies the US has chosen for the country. There could be some minimal hope that an economist brain acts rationally.
Plenty of US right wing and oil funding for destabilizing Canada, all the while supporting the demonism of war on Russia, by pretending that high diesel/home heating fuel was the result of carbon tax.
full CIA puppetry of all western political leaders
US wants Greenland to gift it to Russia
This isn’t the first time I’m hearing such, even just this very hour. Fareed’s Take: Trump’s revolution in foreign policy.
Freeland has a LOT of ties to Ukraine and Russia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland
So what’s her reasoning for stirring the pot and causing trouble? I’d venture a guess she didn’t think Trudeau was doing enough to help Ukraine…
That resignation and disagreement opened up the Cons and NDP to try and steal the spot light.
