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    8 hours ago

    Those were quotes… not sources. I specifically ignored them because they were unsourced.

    said Lt. Col. Simon Ritchie, a dermatologist

    I am really trying to square this circle…

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      Quote

      to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc. […] to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support.

      Source

      any thing or place from which something comes, arises, or is obtained; origin.

      The above are quotes… from a source… in this case the sources being https://www.dictionary.com/browse/quote and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/source

      The problem with simply using a name as a “source” in this context… This lemmy user didn’t talk to that Lt. Col. so that lemmy user can’t be a source to say that the Col said anything… They took that quote from somewhere else… and didn’t cite that source. So it goes unsourced as the origin of where the quote is derived was not disclosed. Much the same as we both know that General Grievous from my previous comment is a fictional character and definitely didn’t say anything of that sort… Yet I “quoted” it… with no source to prove that anything was ever actually said. Quoting something without a citation to the source where you obtain the quote is effectively pointless on the internet.

      Edit: Google shows a number of sources for the quote… https://taskandpurpose.com/news/military-beards-break-gas-mask-seal/ being one of them.

      This same article goes on to show the same study that I posted elsewhere though… with a bizarre stance on the results though…

      These anecdotes all regard oxygen masks for aviators, so it would be too bold to extrapolate that the same rings true for gas masks, Ritchie explained. Still, it’s a start, and there is also a recent study from the civilian world that could indicate positive outcomes for beard-hopefuls in the U.S. military. The 2018 study showed that facial hair negatively influences the fit factor for half-face negative-pressure respirators as the hair gets longer and more dense. However, beard-wearers can still “achieve adequate fit factor scores even with substantial facial hair in the face seal area,” the study authors wrote. In fact, 98% of the study participants who had an eighth-inch of beard passed the fit test. Those results are encouraging because the respirators used in the study are pretty close to the M-50 gas masks used in the military today in terms of material and fit, Ritchie said.

      Not sure why 98% is acceptable to them… but is what it is. I don’t particularly find the number acceptable considering it’s entirely preventable deaths that could be stopped.

      See… I provided the source… and the quote. There is no concern about me having made shit up because you can see it for yourself without hunting for the source yourself.

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        8 hours ago

        You can type all that, still funny when you know that a quote with a name is a source. Since you know the quotes source is that named person. Not really relevant if it is a correct quote or not, as a sourced lie is a thing as well.

        I mean its right there in your own example “…to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support.”

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          Cool then you must accept my previous statement of

          General Grievous says “[email protected] is lying about the quotes they provided. Lt. Col. Simon Ritchie was relieved of duty for malpractice years ago dishonorably.”

          It’s a quote, attributed to a name. Right?

          Edit: Would you feel better if I change the verbiage to “I wasn’t given a good source” or “validated source”?

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            Edit: Would you feel better if I change the verbiage to “I wasn’t given a good source” or “validated source”?

            Yes, and that is also why you look up quotes and sources.

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              7 hours ago

              I mean its right there in your own example “…to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support.”

              Just so you know though… that was in the definition for “quote” not source… but I’ve changed the verbiage.

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                7 hours ago

                Oh I know that was for the quote part as those are very much also describing a “source”