• Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Jesus I’m so sick and tired of people parroting this DNC line. Nobody has mentioned the DNC here.

    Capitalism is not a defining feature of being left. There is more to being on the left than just socialist ideals

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      I mentioned the DNC because it seemed like that’s what you were going for. It isn’t about “ideals,” it’s about property relations. Capitalism is the status quo, ergo liberalism is right wing.

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

        Among the various regional and national movements, the civil rights movement in the United States during the 1960s strongly highlighted the liberal efforts for equal rights.[197] The Great Society project launched by President Lyndon B. Johnson oversaw the creation of Medicare and Medicaid, the establishment of Head Start and the Job Corps as part of the War on Poverty and the passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, an altogether rapid series of events that some historians have dubbed the “Liberal Hour”.[198]

        Even in America, liberalism is left. And the meme interpreted as the left absolutely stands

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          None of those claimed liberalism was left wing. Liberalism is the ideological superstructure of capitalism, it supports private property rights above all else. I really think you need to step back for a second and try to see what others are telling you, rather than try to convince people that capitalism is left wing.

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              12 hours ago

              Incredible, a liberal publication talking about political ideology within the confines of liberalism.

              What do you think “left-wing” even means? Why would anyone consider liberalism to be left-wing?

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                  I already did. Leftism is about progressing to the next mode of production, it’s historically progressive and revolutionary. Rightism is about retaining the current system or trying to go backwards, ie the “good old days.” Socialism is left wing, capitalism is right wing. Liberalism is the ideological superstructure of capitalism, ergo it’s right wing.

                  Secondly, you never actually answered me about what it means to be left wing, or why you think capitalism is left wing. You just copied and pastied the first things you googled without engaging with the points made by others here and myself.

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                    10 hours ago

                    Have you heard of cooperatives. Would you categorize a cooperative as a right leaning concept