out of touch? more like saving her from the absolute garbage fire that passes for ‘games’ these days. she’ll actually learn what a good game is. this dad’s doing god’s work.
Game design has come a long way since the '90s. Heck, even the N64 controller is awkward and weird with only one joystick.
I am 50+, remember paying quarters to play Pong and Space Invaders.
Built my kids a game box using Batocera Linux and ROMs from the 80s and 90s (Atari2600, Intellivision, Colecovision, etc)
I was thereby able to show them the True Magic and Wonder of Computers
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Calm down, Bill Gates
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And you’re lucky there is this entire Lemmy.World instance running on Linux for you to get this worked up over them about.
r/usernamechecksout
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The only part being true is my life is fucked, rest easy friend I don’t care about strangers online
You are fun! Happily to be blocked :) but why is everyone mad at you? Jks no one’s mad they just tapping a screen breathing air and have no real concerns about you or I. But what did you mean to get the minus points?
Why, tho? Is it because it’s not basically an advertisement for some large language model?
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Why do you like Windows so much, then?
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“FUCK LINUX” is, like, tooooootally something a Microsoft hater would say, am I right, guys? /s
I point out the flaws
This also contradicts what you initially said.
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This is the responsible way to raise a child on video games IMO. Modern games have predatory practices like microtransactions.
The look on her face says everything to me though.
Plenty of fun normal games, especially indie games.
Only if you teach them. My son is playing casual games on Steam and emulated games.
While my son’s friends were talking about new Call of Duty/Fortnite updates. And they’re like 8yos.
Jokes on them. I hack games that have micro transactions and DLCs and make them entirely free. Even games I have paid for. My child hasn’t seen an ad or a micro transaction yet.
Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Most of the games with dlc or microtransaction stuff that I play have it all verified with some sort of online system (steam, mostly). What games are you hacking, and how?
steam does not verify much by itself, its not made to be a strong security system. look up goldberg emu, cream api, etc. they work if the DLC content is not really downloadable, but already baked in just locked away behind a check
and if the content is something to download, most of the time you can grab the clean steam files from a website of a russian counterstrike community and drop the files into your game install folder and then use the aforementioned tools.
This.
Well, what about this: Early exposure to the shithead practices of modern gaming can enable children to more easily identify what’s good and what’s just trying to take money from them.
I dunno.
You could argue the other way around - growing up with decent and non-predatory practices makes you less tolerant of when companies try to extort you because you already know what “good” looks like.
I’m sure the corpos would love nothing more than kids getting exposed to predatory practices from a young age so they grow up feeling those things are acceptable and normal.
Drag thinks we should expose kids to a safe environment most of the time, and to little bits of predatory design in contexts that make them easy to identify. Like a vaccine.
“Dad, how do I put armour on my horse?”
“You need to grow up and get a job and a credit card for that.”
“That sucks, I hate Oblivion! I want to go back to Morrowind!”
“It’s okay buddy, I pirated the Oblivion remaster. Let’s play that instead.”
Most kids aren’t discerning about those kinds of things.
That’s why I slam that shit home all the time. Robux are a scam. YouTubers are just selling to you. If it has ads it’s not worth watching. Just repeat that every day to the kids and they’re good to go.
The message they will take away is “the things my parents approve of” and “the things that are really cool and fun” are disjoint categories. IDK, I’m not a parent, I don’t want to deal with that. Just thinking about my own childhood here, and the kids of people I know.
The problem is that kids dont make or have money. Its like burning their hand the first time, they need to attempt to pay for their own lives fully at least once to really understand it. I think its fair to restrict these types of things to mature rated games as a general rule.
yeah the problem is this doesn’t line up with the horror stories I’ve personally witnessed. Sudden, massive credit card charges. The problem can occur when kids aren’t spending their own money, they’re using their parents’, some way some how.
Regardless, kids are already surrounded by ads in every corner of life trying to convince them they need XYZ in exchange for money. I’d rather work to make the kid’s environment less consumerist, to give them a vision of how life could be.
If you give your kid access to your credit card you’re a fool. Those are parents who perhaps needed to learn some extra lessons in life.
The second the kid goes to school, they’re faced with every single fad anyway. It’s insanity. Everyone wants a croc, a Stanley, a labubu. My kids see the ads built in to the YouTubes, and they see it from friends, and I do my best to explain to them what’s happening.
And if they earn some money, or get birthday money, and they want to burn it on some nonsense, I explain to them what’s happening but ultimately give them some autonomy. And when the next thing comes along and they can’t spend money because they have none, they either learn or they don’t.
My kids didn’t see an ad connected to videos until the youngest was about 7 (outside of a movie theater, at least). When they first saw them, they were flabbergasted about what they were or why people would just sit there watching them, and absolutely refuse to put up with them. I’d say they are better off seeing how things could be, so when they see how things are now they recognize how utter shit it is.
absolutely refuse to put up with them
This is amazing. Good job! I wish more people were like this. Apparently São Paulo in Brazil has no ads at all.
The look on her face says everything to me though.
lol, it wasn’t even attempting to be a good photoshop. Maybe your screen needs cleaning?
wow I got completely fooled hahaha
When I was young my parents encouraged me to watch Marx Brothers, Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello. These are easy things for children to watch because the physical comedy is universal.
As I got older my love for them remained, but also it gave me a love for media from any age. So long as it’s done reasonably I think this sort of thing can be quite enriching.
I experienced something simmilar. Authors, comedians and actors were mostly from our or neighbouring states, and man were they brilliant. In my case it was rather a kind of comedy, that was heavily relying on spoken word, but those guys really knew their craft.
My little guy just started Mario Paint this week and he’s loving it. He’s not reading yet so a game with easy symbols and painting is age appropriate. Plus that fly game is getting him a lot of practice learning how to use a computer mouse.
Yes! On the SNES switch online thing? My 3 y/o has been loving it too, especially after finding the rocketship eraser.
Yep! Our favourite now is creating and saving our own stamps.
God I tried. And it told me a lot out myself.
The VAST majority of that old stuff, the stuff that I remember so fondly, was only fun because it was the best we had.
My first game was Yars Revenge. By today’s standards, it’s about 30 seconds of entertainment.
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1. It was almost all single player taking turns.
Compared to even old current systems, there’s just no draw there and there’s no social aspects for them.
I think you’re missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
back between the 70s-90s you played games with friends in the room. you would mock and challenge each other to do better. That was the game.
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Sounds like something someone who had friends growing up would say
I didn’t have any friends, but I had siblings.
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thanks for making me lose the game 😠
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1.
Maybe the original has this issue of being held back by overly punishing arcade inspired design, but I replayed Super Mario World recently and I think it holds up in this respect. You only need to get past the next checkpoint for your progress to be saved, and if you are running low on lives and don’t want to lose progress, there is the option of going back to previous levels to farm more lives and powerups. There are also semi-secret areas with buttons that put extra blocks into every level that make the game easier. For basically the first half of the game the only thing that’s really required to win is a small amount of impulse control, planning and patience, and it seems to deliberately work to teach you that stuff in various ways.
My kid is almost 6 so he doesn’t really know modern games. For now he is totally into lemmings and the incredible machine 2. It’s fun because I played those games a lot and can easily help him when he is stuck.
I was really surprised how quick my kids fell in love with Super Mario 3(Super Mario All-stars).
Their cousin played the Switch version and my introduction led them to try and 100% all the classic 2D Super Mario games.
I did this to myself because I only played games that my gpu could perform and that was the reason why pretty much all of the games I play are pre 2010.
What GPU
Don’t remember which one I had at the time, but it barely played angry birds and my current one is an rx580.
Ah okay. Asking as my 1080 is still playing anything I want even though it’s 10+(?) years old
The 1080 was a factory freak. I used mine forever, I want to say from a 2015 build as well.
Same with my 1070. He’ll, even my wife’s 970 is running strong. Can either of them play at max? Unlikely. But my wife is able to play just about anything, if at the lowest setting.
I play everything at max :) I did upgrade my cpu and ram though.
That sick about your wife’s 970!
I mean I get like 40 fps in cs2 with all low and fsr on performance but on 1440p lowering to 1080 imoroved itby about 5 fps, I tested it with an another rx 580 and it is the same.
I grew up playing games with my dad. I wouldn’t change a thing. I miss it dearly.
He never went easy on me in Soul Calibur.
Your dad is Nick Swardson? That’s cool
He never went easy on me in Soul Calibur
Dad aint raising no wimp! Get good or get schooled.
But seriously that’s really sweet.Yeah my mom was an old school namco head and we’d play together when I was a kid
A well made game knows no age limits! My kiddo was super into the original mario when we showed it to him. I would have thought it would look dated, but he doesn’t know!
Today’s kids have the benefit that insanely amazing graphics in huge budget games is commonplace, pixel art is a popular visual style that has new games coming out all the time, and janky homemade graphics with visual glitches (essentially memes in game format) are also popular thanks to everything from garry’s mod recordings to platforms like Roblox where a million people make their own goofy little games.
So if I take my 3rd grader though some gaming history, starting at least from the NES era where you have decent resolution, smooth scrolling, and numerous colors, things are not instantly dated like we olds might expect.
I could fire up Super Mario Bros, TIE Fighter, Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night, VVVVVV, or Elden Ring, and I honestly don’t think any of them would get a particularly positive or negative reaction based on visual fidelity. It’s just a question of whether it looks like the type of gameplay he is into. Even with the obviously popular chunky Minecraft/Roblox look, he’s draw to it because it’s a popular style that he likes. If I comment about how ooh they updated the Xbox version to 4K rendering, or look at the crazy stuff I can do with the draw distance in the Java version on Linux, he does not give any fucks. It’s the command line and the mods that let us do wacky things that are actually entertaining.
There are plenty of games up to the PS3 era that every kid would do well to play at least once. Stuff that is objectively good, that aged well, or close enough.
The problem, as I see it, is that if they get too used to mobile games, they won’t have the patience for typical console or PC games, because those, on average, aren’t dopamine dispensers and won’t be rewarding every second click or button press - more importantly, they should NOT nag the player with cash shops.
Also important: limit the amount of games available - this is valid both for current and retro games. The moment you have “all the games” at your disposal, several things kick in: analysis paralysis, appeal to familiarity (will only play what you already know or someone knows), seeing no value in the games[1].
Others mentioned the social aspect, which is true as well and something they just can’t experience nowadays anymore. Minecraft and Roblox are famous because they’re easy for kids to pick and play with friends. Back in our days, we had to physically sit beside one another and play together, or pass the controller on death; we also physically lent and traded games, so the games also had value within our little social circles. While fully digital games are extremely convenient, the “scarcity” gave them a social value that they completely lack today and which I suppose boardgames now fill out (yes, you can play them online, but playing on an actual table is almost always better)
If, when you were small, you only had a limited selection of games, which was common during the cartridge era, you would be very careful with choosing new games to ask your parents to buy, though renting was an option to see which ones were good or not. You had to make do with the little you had. When you got bored with one, you either looked through your collection and played something else, or did something else entirely; you never threw away a game (unless it really sucked) and you never got a new game on a whim. That is good. ↩︎
i don’t think i’ve ever heard anyone call it “the ps3 era”.
Damn, I never knew that Markdown (or Lemmy idk) had footers!
they’re pretty useful and neat in some contexts, also super easy, caret + brackets:
caret after a word^[and all text in the brackets goes in the footnote]
Cant force the shit, same with any culturally significant thing from your childhood. Think of it in reverse: if you aren’t willing to engage with their zeitgeist in good faith, how could you expect them to engage with yours?
Why so salty about a dad sharing his interests and stuff from his life with his kid? She can play other games too.
Legit, it’s not an either/or. I ragequit Warioland on RA and took my frustrations out building and unleashing siege weapons in TOTK
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That’s not true people like feelgood videos and cute animals and wait hold up …
Enhance
Normal family values
Ah now I know exactly what kind of person you are, nevermind
You are just giving your kids more options, most don’t have that choice and can only play whatever launches for phones or switch.
Phones, tablets other portable devices are where this generation is at. There is a question of when you give your child access to brain rot materials. Assuming they are above 12 in this situation, they are already in touch with the general status quo of digital entrainment. The ego they will gain and cool points in the future is unknown but working in Education I feel students with a boarder background make for Better Humans. In the UK most public spaces like community centre or library, school will always have computer relics in a cupboard. A good Gamer will seek these out even if they don’t have a dad, which is maybe the reason they are there…
Now my daughter brings her friends home to play Mario 64! Masterpieces have no expiry date!!
I misread that as Mario Kart 64. That game is the apex of the genre.
Given all the child predators on Roblox, can’t blame ya
Don’t forget the slavery and financial exploitation!
Ive heard of the financial exploitation and pedo controversy but what is the slavery controversy for roblox?
Gonna be honest, my brain farted while being flippant. “Financial exploitation” to refer to extracting robux from users. I used “slavery” to refer to uncompensated or undercompensated underage labor relating to development…
You’re worried about child predators on Roblox.
I’m worried about my dummy kids taking my credit card and buying microtransactions.
(We are not the same meme)
