because it gained popularity in countries where sending SMS used to cost money at the time, years before Facebook has purchased it, became the main means of communication, and it turns out that moving an entire country’s (or even continent’s) population away from a messaging app has proven to be difficult.
Ironically, it got popular when it still tried to get users to subscribe to a monthly payment. And as it was one of the few messaging platforms to be (in the future) paid at all, I cannot understand why it ever got popular…
Well, sure, Meta cancelled the subscription plans later but to me it sounded a red flag in the first place.
Whatsapp became popular because it was the only app that ran on everything in 2010, it ran on the newly appeared smartphones as well as on featurephones. Nokia, Blackberry, Android, iPhone, Windows Phone, you name it, it was supported.
And as it was one of the few messaging platforms to be (in the future) paid at all, I cannot understand why it ever got popular…
Because that way people thought they were directly paying for the service they were using, instead of being the product of said platform, having their personal data harvested and sold to the highest bidder?
Well, sure, Meta cancelled the subscription plans later but to me it sounded a red flag in the first place.
The red flag is to look at a free meal and not wonder what the catch might be. Especially to this day, with all we learned about what the tech majors do with all the data.
Because that way people thought they were directly paying for the service they were using, instead of being the product of said platform, having their personal data harvested and sold to the highest bidder?
Are you saying that people perceived WhatsApp as better than SMS or better than Facebook?
The red flag is to look at a free meal and not wonder what the catch might be. Especially to this day, with all we learned about what the tech majors do with all the data.
That’s not my point. My point is why would the majority of the world do this when they knew it was going to be paid.
I can’t think of other product examples where people would so gladly accept trial versions of otherwise free feature-equivalent services. Maybe WinRAR, but that could be replaced with any other product instantly anyway (no network effect), should it ever get enforce its trial.
Because that way people thought they were directly paying for the service they were using, instead of being the product of said platform, having their personal data harvested and sold to the highest bidder?
Are you saying that people perceived WhatsApp as better than SMS or better than Facebook?
As it happened, both.
The red flag is to look at a free meal and not wonder what the catch might be. Especially to this day, with all we learned about what the tech majors do with all the data.
That’s not my point. My point is why would the majority of the world do this when they knew it was going to be paid.
Back then, the norm was to pay for a service. When it’s good and the price is fair, people use it, especially when the alternative was feature-limited SMS paid by the message at inadequately high cost. And Facebook isn’t free: you trade privacy and exposure to customized ads in exchange for access to the service, so your comparison is biased.
Pretty much, I use Telegram always I can (I know it is not Signal, but there are tons of custom ROMs groups and channels and I use it to chat with closest friends), and oh boy it is just better than WhatsApp in any aspect since… Since I don’t remember when I started to use it… It just got updated with an enhanced reply system (quotes) and it is awesome.
Meanwhile family, companies and pretty much everyone else is at WhatsApp… I mean it could be worse, it could be Messenger LMAO.
I was shocked when I read around here in Lemmy that people chat with SMS on Android those haven’t been used here since 2012 at least!
moving an entire country’s (or even continent’s) population away from a messaging app has proven to be difficult.
It’s not that difficult. During the pandemic there was a privacy scare when Whatsapp was rumored to plan on breaking encryption. There was an upsurge in Signal installations and I actually got a small group to use it for a few weeks before the scare died down and we returned to Whatsapp.
If Meta really thinks people won’t switch it may have an unpleasant surprise.
People are stupid and don’t care. I doubt many people here on lemmy are using them but there is always gonna be some using those mentioned, Instagram, or any of facebooks ‘services’.
This is snobbish and elitist. The evidence of this thread alone is that people who interact with this instance or use Lemmy generally also use Whatsapp. For many, it is convenient, relatively secure and private, and free. It engrained itself as the default communications platform in many countries, and Meta ownership doesn’t have any tangible impact on its use for anybody, so far as I can tell. The “people are stupid” line is just ignorant bollocks.
But if Facebook came up and bought my messaging service I would be looking for an alternative as soon as I could instead of just going “oh I used this before and don’t want to change”. Obviously if WhatsApp is your only option then use it but keep it as minimal as possible. Or just don’t give a fuck like 90% of people 🤷♂️
I’ve brought up other services with some of my active groupchats, but nobody else cares or wants to switch. Soooo I’m stuck in Messenger+Whatsapp, Discord, Groupme (Microsoft), and Slack (Salesforce). At least I got out of Snapchat?
WhatsApp is based on XMPP, hence why it works so well, but with the difference that nobody “owns” XMPP (it’s a network of account providers, just like email where you can be a @outlook.com and exchange messages with @yahoo.com).
You can start there and see how well it works for you and whether you want to embark your contacts with you. For me the main motivator is that XMPP, as a decentralized and extensible protocol, will still be there long after I’m dead. I’m done telling people around me to install this or that App, all I want is the confidence that whatever I’m using is the last messaging system I will ever need (won’t go bankrupt, won’t turn against me, will remain secure, will have all the desired features …), and that’s the only one that qualifies.
Isn’t Whatsapp owned by meta?
If so, why do people use it?
Find the change. Be the change.
because it gained popularity in countries where sending SMS used to cost money at the time, years before Facebook has purchased it, became the main means of communication, and it turns out that moving an entire country’s (or even continent’s) population away from a messaging app has proven to be difficult.
Ironically, it got popular when it still tried to get users to subscribe to a monthly payment. And as it was one of the few messaging platforms to be (in the future) paid at all, I cannot understand why it ever got popular…
Well, sure, Meta cancelled the subscription plans later but to me it sounded a red flag in the first place.
Whatsapp became popular because it was the only app that ran on everything in 2010, it ran on the newly appeared smartphones as well as on featurephones. Nokia, Blackberry, Android, iPhone, Windows Phone, you name it, it was supported.
Okay, that is a very good point that I did not realize.
Whatsapp was a paid service in some areas, but only $1 per year.
Because that way people thought they were directly paying for the service they were using, instead of being the product of said platform, having their personal data harvested and sold to the highest bidder?
The red flag is to look at a free meal and not wonder what the catch might be. Especially to this day, with all we learned about what the tech majors do with all the data.
Are you saying that people perceived WhatsApp as better than SMS or better than Facebook?
That’s not my point. My point is why would the majority of the world do this when they knew it was going to be paid.
I can’t think of other product examples where people would so gladly accept trial versions of otherwise free feature-equivalent services. Maybe WinRAR, but that could be replaced with any other product instantly anyway (no network effect), should it ever get enforce its trial.
As it happened, both.
Back then, the norm was to pay for a service. When it’s good and the price is fair, people use it, especially when the alternative was feature-limited SMS paid by the message at inadequately high cost. And Facebook isn’t free: you trade privacy and exposure to customized ads in exchange for access to the service, so your comparison is biased.
Also because MMS was/is dogshit and sending photos etc through WhatsApp was much better
Yep. It’s like that here and it sucks ass. Every person and business uses it. I think even the Gemente does in some cases.
Pretty much, I use Telegram always I can (I know it is not Signal, but there are tons of custom ROMs groups and channels and I use it to chat with closest friends), and oh boy it is just better than WhatsApp in any aspect since… Since I don’t remember when I started to use it… It just got updated with an enhanced reply system (quotes) and it is awesome.
Meanwhile family, companies and pretty much everyone else is at WhatsApp… I mean it could be worse, it could be Messenger LMAO.
I was shocked when I read around here in Lemmy that people chat with SMS on Android those haven’t been used here since 2012 at least!
It’s not that difficult. During the pandemic there was a privacy scare when Whatsapp was rumored to plan on breaking encryption. There was an upsurge in Signal installations and I actually got a small group to use it for a few weeks before the scare died down and we returned to Whatsapp.
If Meta really thinks people won’t switch it may have an unpleasant surprise.
Be the difference!
People are stupid and don’t care. I doubt many people here on lemmy are using them but there is always gonna be some using those mentioned, Instagram, or any of facebooks ‘services’.
No. WhatsApp was well established before Facebook got involved.
This is snobbish and elitist. The evidence of this thread alone is that people who interact with this instance or use Lemmy generally also use Whatsapp. For many, it is convenient, relatively secure and private, and free. It engrained itself as the default communications platform in many countries, and Meta ownership doesn’t have any tangible impact on its use for anybody, so far as I can tell. The “people are stupid” line is just ignorant bollocks.
Sorry if it came off like that.
But if Facebook came up and bought my messaging service I would be looking for an alternative as soon as I could instead of just going “oh I used this before and don’t want to change”. Obviously if WhatsApp is your only option then use it but keep it as minimal as possible. Or just don’t give a fuck like 90% of people 🤷♂️
I’ve brought up other services with some of my active groupchats, but nobody else cares or wants to switch. Soooo I’m stuck in Messenger+Whatsapp, Discord, Groupme (Microsoft), and Slack (Salesforce). At least I got out of Snapchat?
I despise anything Facebook, Meta. Zuck. But with shitty internet, WhatsApp is the only thing that works. If they put ads, I am gone from it.
WhatsApp is based on XMPP, hence why it works so well, but with the difference that nobody “owns” XMPP (it’s a network of account providers, just like email where you can be a @outlook.com and exchange messages with @yahoo.com).
You can start there and see how well it works for you and whether you want to embark your contacts with you. For me the main motivator is that XMPP, as a decentralized and extensible protocol, will still be there long after I’m dead. I’m done telling people around me to install this or that App, all I want is the confidence that whatever I’m using is the last messaging system I will ever need (won’t go bankrupt, won’t turn against me, will remain secure, will have all the desired features …), and that’s the only one that qualifies.
In Belgium they even use Facebook Messenger as the default messaging app… There is little hope in people
It makes it hard to even want good for the world. 😑