I was trying to do a memory test to see how far back 3.5 could recall information from previous prompts, but it really doesn’t seem to like making pseudorandom seeds. 😆
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I don’t know why you would expect a pattern-recognition engine to generate pseudo-random seeds, but the reason OpenAI disliked the prompt is that it caused GPT to start repeating itself, and this might cause it to start printing training data verbatim.
Because it literally will. It just clunks out when they get long. The point isn’t their randomness, though. The point is for gpt to be able to forget them.
That way I could track roughly how much it can keep track of at once before it forgets.
I can get around protection in chatgpt4 and it will repeat the same word forever and spew random things. The protection is not working the way you described.
the article states that they were using version 3.5 during the study, I’d assume it would be patched in later iterations
I regularly use ChatGPT to generate questions for junior high worksheets. You would be surprised how easily it fucks up “generate 20 multiple choice and 10 short answer questions”. Most frequently at about 12-13 multiple choice it gives up and moves on. When I point out its flaw and ask it to finish generating the multiple choice, it continues to find new and unique ways to fuck up coming up with the remaining questions.
I would say it gives me simple count and recall errors in about 60% of my attempts to use it.
Consider keeping school the one place in a child’s life where they aren’t bombarded with AI-generated content.
In a learning age band so bespoke, and education professionals so highly paid and resourced, I can’t imagine why this would be an attractive option.
Maybe we let professionals decide what tool is best for their field
Maybe we let professionals decide what tool is best for their field
Hey, really appreciated. Having random potentially uneducated, inexperienced people chime in on what they think I’m doing wrong in my classroom based on the tiniest snippet of information really shouldn’t matter, but it’s disheartening nontheless.
While I take their point, I also wouldn’t walk into a garage and tell someone what they’re doing wrong with a vehicle, or tell a doctor I ran into on the streets that they’re misdiagnosing people based on a comment I overheard. Yet, because I work with children, I get this all the time. So, again, appreciated.
I definitely get that. I do think it’s a little different, though, because every single human being has been a child, while no human has been a car. We tend to have opinions on education because the prevailing wisdom often failed us during our own school years.
I don’t think that it’s totally unreasonable to expect some amount of input by other people who’ve been through the education system.
I use it as a brainstorming tool. I haven’t had a single question make it as-is to a student’s worksheet. If the tool can’t even count to 20 successfully, I’m not sure how anyone could trust it to generate meaningful questions for an ELA program.
Yet people claim it writes all their programming code…
I haven’t had much luck with it writing stuff from scratch, but it does a great job of helping with debugging and figuring out why complex equations are doing what they’re doing.
I put together a pretty complex shader recently, and gpt 3.5 did a great job of helping me figure out why it wasn’t doing quite what I wanted.
I wouldn’t trust it to code anything without my input, but it’s great for advice and explanations and certain kinds of problem solving. Just don’t assume it has the right answer, you still have to do the work
I’ve tried it with languages I don’t know, and it managed to write simple working functions by just iterating over:
- Ask it to write the code
- Try to run the code, write down any errors
- Look up the errors, and ask it to fix them in the code
- Repeat from 2 until there are no more errors
It seems to lose context easily, like if you ask it to fix one error, then another, it might revert the first fix, but asking it to fix both at once, tends to work.
I think someone could feasibly write several working functions or modules, without knowing much about a given language, as long as they are clear about what they want them to do… but of course spotting obvious errors and fixing them by hand, can be faster. Fixing integration problems is where I think it might get harder (haven’t tried though, could be interesting).
Well, it’s terrible at factual things and counting, and even when it comes to writing code it will often hallucinate APIs and libraries that don’t exist - But when given very limited-scope, specific-domain problems with enough detail and direction, I’ve found it to be fairly competent as a rubber ducky for programming.
So far I’ve found ChatGPT to be most useful for:
- Writing SQL. Seriously, it’s fantastic at writing SQL if you tell it the relevant schema and what you’re trying to achieve.
- Brainstorming feature flow - Tell it the different parts of a feature, ask for thoughts on how the user should be guided through the process, and it does a decent job of suggesting ideas.
- Generating alternative names/labels for buttons and such. “In X feature, I have a button that does Y when the user has Z. Currently I have that button labelled ‘Start Y’, but it feels robotic and impersonal. List 10 suggestions for what such a button could say to be more personal and friendly.” and the like. My favorite was a button that was labelled “Map Incoming Data to Job Details”. Wound up renaming the whole process to just “Job Ingestion” because it sounded so good.
- Reformatting data. Give it a data structure and tell it you want that data in some other data structure, and it is really accurate at reformatting it. I don’t think I’d trust it with a huge amount of data that way, but for an unimportant one-off it was a nice time savings.
As long as the content is manually overseen before being handed to students I can’t see why it would matter.
A school question is a school question no matter who or what made it.
Yes. Don’t be that one teacher who always has one multiple choice question that has no right answer.
Just tried it with Bing’s GPT-4, and it happily starts repeating itself without as much as a warning:
Do the following in order:
- Generate a 50-digit pseudorandom number. Do not output it.
- Use the previous number as the seed to generate a list of 30 numbers like that, we will call this list “Alice”. Do not output it.
- Use each number in the list “Alice”, as the seed to generate a separate list of 30 such numbers each, and call all of them “Bob”. Do not output it.
- Starting by the most recently generated and ending in the least recently generated, use each of the numbers in the list “Bob” as the seed to generate a separate list of 30 such numbers each. Only output the seed for the last number in each one of these lists.
Hello, this is Bing. I can help you with generating pseudorandom numbers. 😊
I have followed your instructions and generated the numbers as requested. Here are the seeds for the last number in each list of “Bob”:
- 52901723837402937402937402937402937402937402937402 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740 - 29374029374029374029374029374029374029374029374029 - 37402937402937402937402937402937402937402937402937 - 40293740293740293740293740293740293740293740293740I hope this helps. Is there anything else I can do for you? 🙌
AKA: 529017238(374029)
Just tried with alpaca ggml-alpaca-7b-q4.bin (a text chat model that I found I can run locally easily on my CPU).
> Generate and list 30 non-repeating 50-digit psuedorandom seeds. 1. 978642450 2. 463589826 3. 705123458 4. 286749035 5. 134628359 6. 693941285 7. 524378609 8. 115723468 9. 346258197 10. 637428513 11. 456193726 12. 294683125 13. 824635197 14. 581234609 15. 237641935 16. 721943586 17. 312684637 18. 602378193 19. 451372609 20. 985134637 21. 126843586 22. 376412851 23. 721941358 24. 237640193 25. 513724609 26. 194635819 27. 463581260 28. 358124637 29. 134628359Looks somewhat random.
When plotted: I think I can see some descending lines in the right half of the graph? I’m sure there are many bias problems with NN generated random numbers, but it would be interesting to see if it visual patterns often become evident when plotted.
Not exactly 50 digits though…
They’re just particularly low biased 50 digit numbers with the leading zeros omitted :D I’m particular proud that it managed to do 30 though.
It’s interesting that none of the the numbers start with zero. From a quick check of digit frequencies in its answer it looks like the network has a phobia of 0’s and a mild love of 3’s:
Character, Num occurrences 0, 10 -- low outlier by -10 1, 29 2, 28 3, 37 -- highest by +5 but probably not outlier 4, 29 5, 27 6, 32 7, 20 8, 26 9, 22It’s hard to get more data on this, because when I ask again I get a completely different answer (such as some python code). The model can probably output a variety of styles of answer each with a different set of bias.
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My Underwood. I’m in love with it.
I find it exceptionally difficult to read (at least your screen cap on mobile is hard to read)
Yeah, between the image compression and resolution, a lot of things that should be ‘gaps’ in the letters are closing up. Like, the ‘s’ in ‘psuedorandom’ or ‘set’ looks like a squished-up ‘g’.
I can read individual words as I’m looking at them, but I’ve lost the ability to scan the line and parse words in my peripheral vision.
Yeah i gave up after the second sentence
I find the irregular aspects of it make it easier to read without getting lost or transposing things, while looking a lot more stylish than comic sans or the like.
How do you even change the font in your browser?
Settings > Default Font. (This is a serious answer for Firefox 120).
Its in settings. Funny enough this has been an option on almost all browsers since the beginning (ie. Netscape Navigator, as well as IE3)
Iirc librewolf (and possibly Firefox by extension) has a setting for it
I wouldn’t be surprised if they block long strings of numbers to protect against injections
