Currently chatting with the other mods about this and while we don’t want the community to be overrun by Elon, the articles are some of the most upvoted in the past few days. It seems, that people do want to hear about what’s going on but not at a rate that drowns out other content. We’ve been careful to prune out duplicates to keep the flow down, but the volume of Elon posts and Twitter / X is definitely… a lot. I do see how some find it annoying so we’re keeping an eye on the situation, but I do agree it does meet the criteria of being both news and tech related. I assume that he’ll eventually run out of Twitter pieces to break, right :P
Please do keep an open line of communication with us and all replies, feedback and opinions are always welcome! Cheers!
why did you remove the Grindr unionization post
I believe the upvotes mainly come from rage engagement. I don’t wanna see them either, but they provoke a reaction.
Yeah, Lemmy is for obsessively shitposting about Reddit, not Twitter.
Also, memes about that movie I was promoting.
Yay oppenheimer
I’d rather want to know why we have 10 posts about twitter changing it’s name but the one post about grindr employees unionizing gets removed because it’s apparently not tech related
Are unionization posts getting removed here? That seems against the whole idea of an open internet here.
Wait, what? I dont give a fuck about the elon musk shit, but I care about grindr employees. Seems this community is earning a block from my side
I get that this is a contentious topic and I agree that Musk gets too much coverage, but…I strongly believe that people should be able to post whatever they want as long as it adheres to the community’s topic (technology) and adheres to the rules.
The arguement of, “I don’t wanna see {topic here} so stop posting about {topic here}” is a really slippery slope. Clearly there are quiet users here that DO actually want to hear about X news and DO want to dicuss it. What about topics that appeal to you, or like 20% of the community, but 80% couldn’t give a shit? Where is the line?
Realistically, this is on you. You don’t like it? Downvote and scroll past it. Want a perfectly curated source of news you care about? Use an RSS reader that offers topic filters. This is a community of diverse interests that may not always reflect yours. Deal with it, or go elsewhere.
Politely disagree, in that I suspect this is a hypocritical sentiment. Most users who get off of Elon news will agree with this position now but then cry foul when this community is spammed with a subject not to their liking. And as much as the ideology of free speech (rightly) resonates, just like with free markets, some minimal regulation is needed in practice; otherwise some fanatics could choke this feed up with, I dunno, 99% Microsoft news, all the time, and you wouldn’t be able to say shit because you “strongly believe people should be able to post whatever they want”. I doubt that you would stand by your lofty convictions so strongly then.
Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with expressing a desire for more or less of something—it’s just an opinion. It’s a bullshit argument to say, “If you don’t like it, instead of articulating why, just use the limited non-descriptive tool provided to reduce your passionate sentiment into a trivial binary value and cast it into the sea of thousands just like it; or else, like, go create an entirely new community or a custom feed or whatever you want. But mainly, just fuck off.”
Let me make this clear.
I don’t give a FLYING FUCK about Elon. I actively ignore any posts about him or his shitty empire. Stop using the behaviors of his idiot stans to argue with me. I am not them.
What I do care about is a community telling people what they can or cannot post, not through rules changes, not through mod action, but by agreeing internally to bully every person who dares to post what every tech publication is talking about.
I think you need to evaluate why you let this shit trigger you. I mean, this is like going to a coffee shop and raising a stink because they sell pumpkin spice lattes. Don’t consume it. Use Lemmy’s tools to filter it out if you really need to.
Its not the community’s job to cater to your specific content desires. This isn’t a news site. Its a place for people to talk about whatever they think technology is. It’s your job to moderate what you pay attention to.
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That’s an even bigger contentious debate. And the fact that there is no one mutually agreed on answer means we either need a formal definition in the rules or the people in this community need to understand that there are people that exist with a broader or narrower definition of technology than they have.
That said, like it or not, go to any major tech blog, podcast, YouTuber, and they all talking about X / Twitter. The tech communities outside of Lemmy have all agreed that Twitter / X is technology. And Lemmy doesn’t live in a bubble.
It seems a lot of people here think that anyone who runs a Web site is a tech company.
they… do? it’s like the “what is art” debate. the answer is “whatever you want it to mean in that moment and it can be different in the next moment”
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site? Strictly speaking the wheel is also technology, so a post about the history of the wheel seems like a worthy post in a tech community? We might as well post anything here because almost everything you use in your daily life is either technology or related to technology. While I do understand the philosophical aspect of the answer it has no practical value when it comes to defining what kind of content should be posted here.
There needs to be a more practical understanding of what the community considers “tech” so that wrong kind of posts don’t get spammed here. For me personally the internet has been around for most of my life. It’s not some new a shiny thing, it’s as common as the wheel. Therefor I don’t consider just running a bog standard website “tech”. Similarly I don’t consider Twitter / X a tech company, they’re a social media company that uses software as a tool. I haven’t considered anything about Twitter, except firing the engineers, as tech news since Musk wanted to buy Twitter. Maybe even before Musk tried to buy it, but who remembers things from eons ago. If there was news about some kind of exploit on Twitter or a data breach, that I could consider tech news because that is generally related to the actual tech they are using for their business. But a Twitter rebrand? Has literally nothing to do with tech beyond the tools they used constituting as “tech”. But then we’re back to square one where I could post about a new bicycle coming out, because the wheels bicycles use are “tech” and the frame material being used is produced by “tech” and there’s a lot of “tech” that goes into a bicycle. But somehow I doubt this is what the community cares about.
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site?
So writing “R MUTT 1917” on a urinal and putting it in an art gallery constitutes as “art” just because they said it is?
etc etc
According to you it definitely does, that was literally your argument for having anything remotely tech related as tech news.
My argument was that it needs to be actually related to tech/art to considered that. If we want to be super critical of art then just writing that at an urinal may or may not be art. For the sake of argument let’s say it’s not. But if someone takes a picture of it (or turns the entire thing into a composition) and puts it in an art gallery then it is art. It has to contextualized somehow as art to be in a gallery and that contextualization defines it as art. Similarly tech news should be in in the context of tech, which is why something like rebranding a company is not necessarily tech news.
yes, I was using the famous example that broke the Fin De Ciele -era snobbery about art and the distinction between artist and artisan to make a point.
my point is that you can’t define it. So you say “should posts about the wheel be included?”
and the answer is if you exclude all things about wheels where do you draw the line? someone creates a new type of ball bearing that revolutionizes manufacturing, but thats not allowed because it’s a wheel? Someone uses a new archeological discovery about an ancient device to invent a modern one? No posts about cars, trains etc? No posts about waterwheel generated activity?
It becomes impossible to police.
Your point is absolutely valid, but what’s happening at Twitter really is only relevant to social media news. There’s no tech changing or advancing, just a really bad marketing decision. I personally do not believe that this is tech news or relevant to it.
To be fair it’s a tech company though so it can impact those in the tech space. Generally it doesn’t but you know what I mean.
So what’s odd here is that this is tech devolving. X is a software services and technology company that pioneered a field. We are watching that fall apart in real time.
Technology doesn’t exist in a vacuum it is entwined in society. Business decisions are undoing years of a societies integration into daily lives. This is like witnessing the fall of Rome in fast forward. So oddly enough this is an live use case in the convergence of society and tech., which is technology.
I agree. It’s more political than technology related.
Its either Business or Political not tech
Doesn’t matter. People can post whatever they want. And people can vote on whatever they want. And Elon content is being voted up. What this post is really saying is:
“STOP LIKING THINGS I DON’T LIKE”
And these people need to get over it or stop using Lemmy. You’re not entitled to only see the content you want.
This is a technology community, and (whether you like it or not) Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Especially with the slipshod way they are doing with it, there is bound to be a lot of articles covering different weird tangential effects from the rush job.
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Maybe, but we have seen it now. If every fart of Musk needs a new thread, maybe better to make a Musk group.
reddit used to have r/EnoughMuskSpam lol
Big news, yes. But not tech related at all. Those Elon news should be on TMZ.
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Is it? It doesn’t change anything.
twitter isn’t relevant in technological development, it’s just a toxic social media site which hasn’t changed in any significant way since its inception (technologically speaking)
It is definitely very big news, but I guess the amount of articles on that topic is overshadowing the rest of tech news.
Maybe we could consider that news relative to Twitter/X should be on their own community, that users can choose to subscribe, ignore or block?
Yeah I don’t like this. Can’t we just use our upvotes to decide which news are important?
Most people on All don’t check what comm a post is from before upvoting. That’s why on Reddit all subs that regularly hit r/all are basically the same. I’m fine with the Twitter news here, but upvotes don’t work as quality control.
I keep downvoting them. But I am apparently alone.
How many posts on Twitter is in your feed? Sorting by Hot, I see only two posts on Twitter, not including your post. Same if I sort by New.
Even if it is only 1 it is more than it should be.
The point is that news about Twitter rebranding is simply not related to technology. This is a technology community. These submissions should not even be posted in the first place to have the opportunity to be voted on.
Are you really suggesting that we take the low quality Reddit approach to high quality subs like /r/funny?
I suppose this is what happens when the lowest common denominator goes down coupled with ignorance of how the lowest common denominator affects community quality.
Communities lose their niche by catering to the lowest common denominator and become homogeneous with each other. This has been a long-standing phenomena on Reddit, one which I would expect to not be carried over to Lemmy since it’s largely a symptom of a user base that has more interest in memes, funnies, and celebrity worship than discussion and real news.
Alright, how do you decide who is the “lowest common denominator” who shouldn’t get to have a say over what is being discussed?
How about the people who stumble across the comm’s posts on All but aren’t subscribed? On Reddit you could also talk about the original user base from before a sub started hitting r/all but [email protected] doesn’t really have an ‘original’ user base.
It does sound reasonable to prioritize subscribed users when counting upvotes, to reflect the interests of that particular community.
But I don’t think that will stop people from bringing up any news involving Twitter. The submission and initial momentum likely happens within the community itself.
That would be cool, never thought about that. Straight up not allowing voting from All/when you’re not subbed could also be interesting as an experiment. But yeah, here plenty of people are just interested in Twitter news.
are just interested in Twitter news.
From the way I’m interpreting that… shouldn’t that demand for ‘just twitter news’ lead to a new community for that specifically? Like if it’s really that interesting to enough people, wouldn’t that be the better outcome?
Yes! Social media gossip is NOT “technology”.
Thanks
Why are there so many Elon bootlickers on Lemmy?
Why are there so many Elon bootlickers anywhere?
There’s also this pathological thing of posting even the negative crap about these types of toxic figures, all the time. The attention they receive - positive and negative - is like flies swarming around shit.
“Enough musk spam”… then they proceed to carpet-bomb the goddamned place with musk spam.
Found a handy script to minimize this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/471718-lemmy-post-keyword-filter
The reddit sub always seemed to be a lot more about the business side of technology and I just remember a lot of arguing.
It would be nice to have an actual technology sub that discusses actual technology.
How about the mods unsticky the Twitter/Elon megathread?
Yeah. Just because a tech company does something, that doesn’t make it technology news. Call me when there’s actual technologic development coming out.
my coffee maker has Bluetooth
Well, it is tech, what do you expect?
twitter isn’t any more “tech” than Nanna’s blog about knitting.
It’s literally a tech company. The laws the company tests are all about the impact of tech.
They are not sellung technology. If i could buy a license to run twitter on my server then you would be correct.
Twitter is a socialmedia company . Just as uber is rideshare company
In your mind a company has to sell tech to be a tech company. Is Google a tech company? Were they not a tech company when they developed a sorting algorithm for the web? Were they not a tech company when they started spelling targeted advertising based on that algorithm? Of they were and are.
Y’all know there’s a voting system so people see the kind of posts they would want from a tech sub
Does downvoting actually demote posts here? There’s no karma.
Like it or not, it’s tech news. When Intel does something interesting, or Google wets the bed again, we’ll talk about that a lot, then. Right now it’s Elon doing dumb stuff. Last month it was spez. If we ban every hot news topic, what’s left to discuss?
I was under the impression that this was a community to discuss technology, not one that discusses the business decisions of companies in the technology sector, and certainly not the decisions of a social media company that is only tangentially related to the technology sector.
Oh, and an interesting follow on, if someone runs a technology consultancy, can they post about their business successes and issues? They’re in the tech business after all. Or is this simply limited to the who’s who of bad actors? The big, 3 4, 10, 15? What is the cut off?
A post about a tech company would at least be relevant, but Twitter isn’t a tech company.
Honestly, Lemmy is starting to really disappoint me. I figured I was leaving most of the circlejerking, reposting, and shitposting behind on Reddit. However Lemmy is every bit just as bad :-/ which is frightening considering how few people are on Lemmy. If it’s getting this shitty right now, imagine it if there was a real Reddit migration…
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