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    Though I would definitely argue that the internet contributed to, eg, amazon and dotcom bubble, and that it has tended to solidify oligarchic control of information rather than the reverse, I think I have to concede that overall independent economic factors play a larger role.

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      Right, consolidation of the internet under a handful of large companies has been a big concern. Notably, that’s precisely why stuff like the fediverse is so important. Decentralized social media that’s run by regular people is precisely how the internet was meant to function. I’m optimistic that things are looking up in that regard. Platforms like Mastodon and Lemmy are still niche, but they’re starting to gain momentum and they show a path forward. It’s encouraging to see that people are actively tackling the problem and we have tangible results to show now. The fact that we’re having this discussion here as opposed to a closed platforms like Reddit is a huge success.

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        I could imagine trying to have this conversation on reddit- but I’d prefer not to. I’d be whacking down a hundred trolls and a dozen bots for each genuine reply.

        Lemmy is starting to feel like reddit back before it was evil. I’m already anxious for its enshittification.

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          That’s the beauty of open source platforms, the dynamics are very different. With a commercial company you’re stuck with whatever the company decides, and that’s what drives enshittification. Companies ultimately exist to make money for the owners and the shareholders. The users aren’t actual stakeholders on these platforms in any meaningful sense.

          On the other hand, open platforms are developed by regular people because they want to have publicly owned social spaces. Even when a project starts going in a bad direction then anybody can fork the code and take the project in a different direction, and anybody can run a server the way they like.

          I wrote an article on the subject a little while back, talking about these dynamics in more detail https://justiceinternationale.com/articles/2020-12-02-we-must-own-our-tools/

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            regular people

            Yeah, for sure and that’s what gives it such a small home-y feel, too. As much disdain as I have for hexbear, I’m glad they have a space to do their hexbear thing. Where I see this being a problem is in the future as communities grow, server costs will grow proportionally. Communities online grow exponentially once they reach a critical mass.

            Right now one person can operate an instance of a few tens of thousands of people. What happens when that one person isn’t able to run the instance as a hobby anymore? People have shown an extreme unwillingness to- Okay, I’m one of them. Not only am I broke, but there’s no good distributed payment model for this (lemmy tax, anyone?), and donations just consistently don’t work, basically because of people like me practically wanting everything for nothing. Or, not for nothing, but rather I am already paying to stay alive and access the internet- If you ask more than that from me, you will get the same line as my creditors get: “I’m broke as shit.”

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              This isn’t a hypothetical, Mastodon has millions of users now and it’s working fine. Larger instances run on donation, and it works fine. It only takes a small percentage of users to contribute at the end of the day. The nature of federation also helps amortize costs. You don’t need to have millions of users all on the same server. It’s a different model where you have many smaller servers with thousands of users, and there’s overlap between them. This is also how internet worked during the time of BBS and IRC. The model of big companies running walled gardens is an aberration, and it’s not how things were meant to work. The internet took a wrong turn for a period, and now it’s self correcting.