According to scientific studies, children who question their gender identity end up identifying as the gender assigned at birth between 60% and 90% of the time by the age of 18. The studies are listed in that right-wing hive of scum and villainy called wikipedia.
Under the hippocratic oath, “First: Do no harm”, one must then ask the question of whether “Do nothing” is an option.
If someone catches a cold, we don’t immediately start a lung transplant. To do so would be highly unethical when most colds resolve themselves within a couple weeks. If we were to do such a thing, then we’d be making people permanent medical cases. Most people would agree that trying to resolve a common cold with a lung transplant would be unethical, even if some minority of cases of the common cold do escalate and require further intervention.
If over half of people with gender dysphoria in their childhood or teenage years (or perhaps 9 out of 10) are cured by leaving them alone, then any medical intervention needs to be significantly better than that.
Some people counter by saying that over 90% of people who start treatment for gender dysmorphia before 18 continue the treatment afterwards. This is not the same thing. If you raise children to think they need to do a thing, they’ll keep doing it, but that doesn’t mean they needed to do it. Generations of radical muslims practice female genital mutilation, that doesn’t mean that the practice is good just because mothers who grow up having had it done to them allow it to happen. Many children brought up in abusive cults keep abusing after they get old.
If someone is cured, then they won’t end up as any sort of suicide statistic because they aren’t trans. By this argument, pushing kids down a path we know leads to a massive suicide rate because it politically agrees with us is quite immoral.
For a minority of people who question their gender identity, they grow up and continue on to be trans as adults. I feel for them. It’s not an easy life. Part of the argument for hormone blockers is that it becomes easier to pass later. However, blocking puberty has long-lasting effects on people regardless, and so we potentially end up in a situation where we’re permanently harming 9 people to make one person’s life a little easier.
One of the justifications for really harsh and not very nice memes like the post is that right now we’re doing something else immoral: In trying to promote acceptance of trans people, we’re going several steps in the other direction and glamorizing what is a tragic disorder. We go to kids and say “Hey, are you a boy or a girl? By the way, if you choose something other than the obvious answer, you’re cool and amazing and everyone supports you and you’re so special”. We know from examples such as the satanic panic in the 80s and early 90s that you can push kids to say things that aren’t true (One child claimed they killed and ate a friend of his who was very much alive), so we need to be very careful in supporting a tiny group not to accidentally cause harm to people who otherwise would have been unrelated.
I don’t condone being shitty to trans people, but I do understand it, especially in a world that appears to be actively causing harm to innocent people. It’s a natural reaction to seeing something that some people might interpret as being pure evil.
People pushing for bad medical work in the name of the greater good has a long history. Perfrontal lobotamies were considered the new hotness for a long time. Eugenics was famously pushed by leftists such as the man who helped create universal healthcare in Canada. Thing is, just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s moral. Even the genocide of the jews in Nazi Germany was officially a public health measure.
So many paragraphs just to say you hate that people can be what they want to be and think it’s immoral that we tell others that they can be what they want to be as well. I think it’s immoral you tell kids they’re not allowed to be who they want to be. That’s where we differ, you limit freedom of people you don’t like.
The stats literally show that giving gender affirming care lowers the 40% suicide risk that you cause. Burn in hell.
you assume kids can make life long decisions when they barely have critical thinking skills. let adults do whatever they want. leave the kids alone. once they hit 16+ … then its only fair they get to live with THEIR poor choices, just like drugs, DUI, and crimes.
Kids aren’t making life decisions. That’s a gross over exaggerated lie peddled to you by some idiots with an agenda. And you can send me 1 or 2 articles with some edge case all you want. Majority of the world doesn’t allow gender affirming care and the biggest majority doesn’t allow kids to have permanent changes done. Stop arguing this bullshit, it’s a front to take away the rights of adults who choose to be who they want to be.
No kids are chopping anything off. End of story. No trans kids, no other kids. Nobody. Stop perpetuating this extremely psychopathic talking point, you intolerant, suicide-approving cunt.
No one said we are tolerant. A lot of tolerance = degeneracy. We have principals that we follow. Pushing and promoting children to potentially ruin their life with castration chemicals isn’t in our principals.
The fact that 40% of troons commit suicide and becoming a troon is pushed to children is a really really fucked up moral stance.
As a teen I can tell you that I’m already questioning too many things in my life. My gender being different isn’t one of them.
If you don’t want to us laugh at troons don’t push your agenda in our faces. If someone wants to cut his balls off as a grown up he is free to do it. But not a kid that on the first day wants to be astronaut, the other day he wants to be super man and on the third day he want to be a pilot
Holy shit, I don’t even have the time to tell you how incredibly wrong you are. I used to be like you, then I found a girl and felt acceptance and tolerance from the people around me. You’ll reach that point and then you’ll question why you were ever the way you are.
And if you don’t, well I guess suicide seems like the fair option, seeing your happiness at others’ suffering.
You can’t argue about morals, that requires empathy, understanding why someone might be feeling a certain way. Because only then you might understand that making fun of suicide is horrible.
No one said we are tolerant. A lot of tolerance = degeneracy.
That argument can be used here, too much tolerance of what could be considered violent or abusive behavior indeed does lead to degeneracy, it leads to more people being violent or abusive in that way. Making fun of people who kill themselves very much falls under that umbrella.
Pushing and promoting children to potentially ruin their life with castration chemicals isn’t in our principals.
Yeah, that’s why HRT and Surgery isn’t used on minors, in some cases they’ll administer blockers which delay natural changes without causing permanent damage, they can either go through it naturally when they’re older or transition then. If they are forced to go through it naturally when they are younger though they’ll have a harder time doing it when they’re older, which is why we use blockers, to give them time.
All your arguments seem to be based on the idea of children transitioning which essentially never happens until people come of age (unless they do it DIY, which is very dangerous and certainly not endorsed).
they’ll administer blockers which delay natural changes without causing permanent damage
This is 100% false. Those “blockers” do cause permanent damage, for example making it highly unlikely they will ever be able to have kids.
This is what has people so upset about the transition movement, they are making false promises to kids that cause permanent damage before kids a mentally mature enough to weigh the pros and cons.
Remember informed consent requires accurate information.
I wouldn’t even bother with them, they’re clearly kissing up to those groomers, they’re not going to listen to any logic. They even created two groomer communities trying to push their dumbass woke ideology here, trying to convince kids that it’s possible to be something other than a man or woman, or even trying to say that people can have no gender… somehow (how the hell is that even possible? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever)
Oh dear god, help? How crazy, a person on this planet needs help. Start helping by accepting people for who they want to be. Just like you use their preferred name.
Nazi
How strange, disliking suicide, wow
Literally Hitler, right?
Yeah, threatening murder to a group you don’t like is pretty Nazi
No one is threatening anybody. We’re just making fun that 40% of them committing suicide
Making fun of someone committing suicide, the real tolerant right.
“Both sides are equal” It’s just that one side laughs about people dying in a horrible way.
Do you even hear yourself? You are a malfunctioning being, your morals are so far up your arse that you enjoy suffering. Fucking psychopath
According to scientific studies, children who question their gender identity end up identifying as the gender assigned at birth between 60% and 90% of the time by the age of 18. The studies are listed in that right-wing hive of scum and villainy called wikipedia.
Under the hippocratic oath, “First: Do no harm”, one must then ask the question of whether “Do nothing” is an option.
If someone catches a cold, we don’t immediately start a lung transplant. To do so would be highly unethical when most colds resolve themselves within a couple weeks. If we were to do such a thing, then we’d be making people permanent medical cases. Most people would agree that trying to resolve a common cold with a lung transplant would be unethical, even if some minority of cases of the common cold do escalate and require further intervention.
If over half of people with gender dysphoria in their childhood or teenage years (or perhaps 9 out of 10) are cured by leaving them alone, then any medical intervention needs to be significantly better than that.
Some people counter by saying that over 90% of people who start treatment for gender dysmorphia before 18 continue the treatment afterwards. This is not the same thing. If you raise children to think they need to do a thing, they’ll keep doing it, but that doesn’t mean they needed to do it. Generations of radical muslims practice female genital mutilation, that doesn’t mean that the practice is good just because mothers who grow up having had it done to them allow it to happen. Many children brought up in abusive cults keep abusing after they get old.
If someone is cured, then they won’t end up as any sort of suicide statistic because they aren’t trans. By this argument, pushing kids down a path we know leads to a massive suicide rate because it politically agrees with us is quite immoral.
For a minority of people who question their gender identity, they grow up and continue on to be trans as adults. I feel for them. It’s not an easy life. Part of the argument for hormone blockers is that it becomes easier to pass later. However, blocking puberty has long-lasting effects on people regardless, and so we potentially end up in a situation where we’re permanently harming 9 people to make one person’s life a little easier.
One of the justifications for really harsh and not very nice memes like the post is that right now we’re doing something else immoral: In trying to promote acceptance of trans people, we’re going several steps in the other direction and glamorizing what is a tragic disorder. We go to kids and say “Hey, are you a boy or a girl? By the way, if you choose something other than the obvious answer, you’re cool and amazing and everyone supports you and you’re so special”. We know from examples such as the satanic panic in the 80s and early 90s that you can push kids to say things that aren’t true (One child claimed they killed and ate a friend of his who was very much alive), so we need to be very careful in supporting a tiny group not to accidentally cause harm to people who otherwise would have been unrelated.
I don’t condone being shitty to trans people, but I do understand it, especially in a world that appears to be actively causing harm to innocent people. It’s a natural reaction to seeing something that some people might interpret as being pure evil.
People pushing for bad medical work in the name of the greater good has a long history. Perfrontal lobotamies were considered the new hotness for a long time. Eugenics was famously pushed by leftists such as the man who helped create universal healthcare in Canada. Thing is, just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s moral. Even the genocide of the jews in Nazi Germany was officially a public health measure.
So many paragraphs just to say you hate that people can be what they want to be and think it’s immoral that we tell others that they can be what they want to be as well. I think it’s immoral you tell kids they’re not allowed to be who they want to be. That’s where we differ, you limit freedom of people you don’t like.
The stats literally show that giving gender affirming care lowers the 40% suicide risk that you cause. Burn in hell.
no need to get spicy.
you assume kids can make life long decisions when they barely have critical thinking skills. let adults do whatever they want. leave the kids alone. once they hit 16+ … then its only fair they get to live with THEIR poor choices, just like drugs, DUI, and crimes.
Kids aren’t making life decisions. That’s a gross over exaggerated lie peddled to you by some idiots with an agenda. And you can send me 1 or 2 articles with some edge case all you want. Majority of the world doesn’t allow gender affirming care and the biggest majority doesn’t allow kids to have permanent changes done. Stop arguing this bullshit, it’s a front to take away the rights of adults who choose to be who they want to be.
Seems like I said the opposite of what you claim.
Learn to read. It might help you stop being so hateful all your life. You know, when you curse someone, dig two graves.
If a child wants to chop off their arms because they identify as a person without arms, should we let them?
No kids are chopping anything off. End of story. No trans kids, no other kids. Nobody. Stop perpetuating this extremely psychopathic talking point, you intolerant, suicide-approving cunt.
No one said we are tolerant. A lot of tolerance = degeneracy. We have principals that we follow. Pushing and promoting children to potentially ruin their life with castration chemicals isn’t in our principals.
The fact that 40% of troons commit suicide and becoming a troon is pushed to children is a really really fucked up moral stance.
As a teen I can tell you that I’m already questioning too many things in my life. My gender being different isn’t one of them.
If you don’t want to us laugh at troons don’t push your agenda in our faces. If someone wants to cut his balls off as a grown up he is free to do it. But not a kid that on the first day wants to be astronaut, the other day he wants to be super man and on the third day he want to be a pilot
Holy shit, I don’t even have the time to tell you how incredibly wrong you are. I used to be like you, then I found a girl and felt acceptance and tolerance from the people around me. You’ll reach that point and then you’ll question why you were ever the way you are.
And if you don’t, well I guess suicide seems like the fair option, seeing your happiness at others’ suffering.
When you have time I’ll be happy to argue with you and hear your arguments.
You can’t argue about morals, that requires empathy, understanding why someone might be feeling a certain way. Because only then you might understand that making fun of suicide is horrible.
That argument can be used here, too much tolerance of what could be considered violent or abusive behavior indeed does lead to degeneracy, it leads to more people being violent or abusive in that way. Making fun of people who kill themselves very much falls under that umbrella.
Yeah, that’s why HRT and Surgery isn’t used on minors, in some cases they’ll administer blockers which delay natural changes without causing permanent damage, they can either go through it naturally when they’re older or transition then. If they are forced to go through it naturally when they are younger though they’ll have a harder time doing it when they’re older, which is why we use blockers, to give them time.
All your arguments seem to be based on the idea of children transitioning which essentially never happens until people come of age (unless they do it DIY, which is very dangerous and certainly not endorsed).
This is 100% false. Those “blockers” do cause permanent damage, for example making it highly unlikely they will ever be able to have kids.
This is what has people so upset about the transition movement, they are making false promises to kids that cause permanent damage before kids a mentally mature enough to weigh the pros and cons.
Remember informed consent requires accurate information.
Except when those blocker are being used by law enforcement to chemically castrate sexual predators.
My arguments are based on the idea that some people are promoting books with sexual acts in them and chemical castration to kids and minors
I wouldn’t even bother with them, they’re clearly kissing up to those groomers, they’re not going to listen to any logic. They even created two groomer communities trying to push their dumbass woke ideology here, trying to convince kids that it’s possible to be something other than a man or woman, or even trying to say that people can have no gender… somehow (how the hell is that even possible? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever)
Never happened.
You need help, just like them
Oh dear god, help? How crazy, a person on this planet needs help. Start helping by accepting people for who they want to be. Just like you use their preferred name.
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