In this thread lots of uninformed people rationalizing why it’s actually okay to use chromium.
In this thread lots of uninformed people misunderstanding how the open source Chromium project works (or the difference between Chrome and Chromium). Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser who frequently disable the parts of Chromium they don’t agree with.
This argument not to use anything Chromium is the same as if someone was fanatically opposed to using Linux Mint or Elementary OS because they’re based on Ubuntu, and Canonical bad.
I love Firefox as much as the next person, and probably do a 75% Vivaldi 25% Firefox split, but let’s not act like Google isn’t bankrolling Mozilla, because they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue, and if Google does implement this Web DRM and if it is widely adopted, Mozilla either submits and enables it to make sure daddy Google stays happy, or they die.
Typically this thinking is mostly correct - e.g. Manifest v3 - but not in this case. If websites see enough users using chormium, via user agent or other fingerprinting, they’ll be more willing to require WEI. And unlike Manifest v3 etc. this affects the whole web, not just users of one browser or the other.
In every case monopolies are bad. Including in tech.
And you fail to understand how terrible monoculture software is for the freedom of the web.
Stop to spread misinformation.
Yeah these half informed zealots really think this is somehow a righteous fight against the man.
they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue
So why is a company, one that has a clear incentive to reduce dependence on their competitor, funding something like Rust or Thunderbird?
Google used to give a lot more money to Mozilla, then they massively cut it which led to huge layoff affecting a lot of Firefox dev. Thankfully the new Firefox engine were just completed at that point. People like to complain about Mozilla pushing their VPN and Pocket, but they have to find another source of income to reduce their dependency to Google.
It is ok to use whatever browser you want
And spoiling Internet for the rest of us. None of us would have to go through this if more people used alternatives to chromium. No website would’ve accepted a 50% loss in visitors over accepting some companies special protocol
It absolutely is not. Just how it’s also not ok to buy the overpriced RTX 40 cards because it ruins the market for all of us.
Exactly right. It requires seeing yourself as a part of a community vs. fulfilling our selfish interests at the expense of others.
Another example were the suburban PS5 buyers who bought from scalpers so “their kids” could have one, not giving any thought to the fact that they’re contributing to a system that excludes the disadvantaged (or, even worse, knowing but not caring).
How does participating in the market ruin the market? It’s literally a fucking market. If they’re so overpriced then why are people buying the cards?
Why don’t you flock to their competitor if they’re pricing their items right and providing just the right value?
True fucking statement.
Most normal people don’t even know adblockers exist. Guys, if you’re going to convince people to switch away from Chrome, it won’t be on the grounds of protecting against some API or ads.
Just use Librewolf.
>sensible defaults
>no telemetry
>no ads
>no suggested sites
>no crypto bullshit
>it just works
And Fennec or Mull on Android.
Does fennec support firefox sync?
Yes.
Duckduckgo found tracking attempts in mull for me. It hasn’t in Firefox. I don’t know what makes the difference though.
I’m not sure about Mull because I’ve never tried it. I use Fennec, which purportedly removes the problematic telemetry, but I’ll be honest I’ve never actually verified this.
I do know some apps instead of removing trackers will replace them with dummy trackers, so I wonder if this might be what duckduckgo is detecting. I don’t really know since I also avoid duckduckgo lol
I can’t find librewolf in the play store. Is it PC only?
Edit: confirmed PC only, but I’ll try it on my laptop
Yes, LibreWolf for PC, Fennec for Android
Thanks!
And thus the brave lammings set out to inform other lemmings, who are as tech savvy and know this is happening, that this is happening by posting memes. Hopefully the people, who would already be using firefox if they cared, switch to firefox so we can breach the 3% market share and that’ll show Google, maker of Chrome and Firefox’ main sponsor, people care enough to stop this madness! - I’m not against activism, but activism in an echochamber can turn into a circlejerk. Everyone stop stroking please… I’m here for the memes.
I’m not against activism
You just spent like 5 minutes reducing activism to “cIrClEjErK”. Can we leave that stupid ass phrase on reddit for Christ’s sake?
everywhere is a circle jerk or an echo chamber except the places that I post
Just look at all the people in the comments patiently explaining what the problem is and what can be done. At what point would you consider this common knowledge that is propagated and confirmed because people on this plattform have reached consensus? It is good we had this discussion for a few days, plenty of awareness has been spread on lemmy. I’m proposing to stop posting about this topic as there is nothing new added except repetition that gains traction because we agree. Call that whatever you want.
You’re not wrong that this discussion would be more productive in a privacy community or one dedicated to web browsers, but at least people see it here.
The problem I’ve seen isn’t the discussion, but the fact that some users have become disproportionately hostile toward others, using childish insults to describe their ideas like “stupid” instead of contributing anything of value.
But BrAaAVvvEe?!
Did you mean annoying crypto browser?
Firefox what you should use, or edge I guess? But really Firefox.
Edge also uses Chromium. If you want to avoid that then Firefox (including derivatives like LibreWolf, Waterfox or SeaMonkey) and Safari are pretty much your only options.
Safari is a steaming pile though
Curl and lynx are pretty cool browsers
Firefox mobile app sucks on my phone. Not sure about the rest of you. Doesn’t seem like there is a great alternative though.
Works just fine for me. Though it’s been a while since I used anything else, I don’t really have a frame of reference. That being said, I can install ublock origin and dark reader in firefox so I won’t ever use anything else on my phone.
It does seem slower on my Samsung Galaxy S10e, but I just downloaded it and as you said, there really isn’t a great alternative, so for now I’ll use it. I’m sure that someone will develop something better at some point.
It is extremely slow compared to chrome. But I still prefer to use it, unless I am in a hurry.
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I use a picel a4.
Kiwi browser is very good. You can also install desktop extensions and there are built in dark mode with AMOLED settings
Never felt like I’m missing out… and I care about good UX
Been using duckduckgo for the longest time. No complaints.
Duckduckgo browser is acceptable on phone.
Brave is shit but it’s the only slightly okay mobile chromium browser
The only Chromium-based browser worth a damn is Vivaldi.
It’s privacy-focused and made by the same people who originally made Opera before it got sold off and turned into malware.
Ungoogled chromium (github) also worth taking a look at.
I use FF + very strict arkenfox 99% of the time, then if a site breaks I fall back to ungoogled chromium
try cromite
Try Iceraven, the fork of Firefox.
There’s also Opera.
Opera is chromium based.
Dang, Chrome is everywhere these days
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Don’t be like them and generalize everything. Browsers are complex piece of software with many use cases. For mine for example Firefox works great without major issues. It might not be the case for you and that’s fine!
There are plenty of people without issues using FireFox (like me). That being said, I’m sure there are those that have issues, so no downvotes from me. It is however better to not generalize like that.
It’s literally not. I’ve seen multiple performance-impacting bugs that people mention, which is a bummer for those users… But none of them happen to me (Pixel 5, android 13) or plenty of other users. Insisting that FF is just hopelessly broken on Android is simply untrue.
It absolutely used to suck performance wise since I used an S4 for about 2 years. Since then, it’s been great. As someone who used to dislike the performance, and now loves it, even over chromium stuff, I can safely suggest your oversimplified opinion is without any real basis. Sucks is such a vague word, and I guess it stops you having to detail and rationalise your personal opinion.
It’s always been great on the desktop.
The past week every post has just been browser icons.
FFS, go browse the bottom of the Potomac.
Nice pun!
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god damn it, i laughed WAY too hard at this. thanks for that, my shame knows no bounds.
Are you guys still using Chrome?
Yes, for now. But also brave, which I’m told I should stop doing as well. You can see how well I listen to advice.
if you want a decent browser, there is firefox and basically all its forks and brave
you shouldnt use brave if
- you dont want to support google, as brave is based on chromium
- you dont want to support the people behind it, as there are some people who say theyre bad people but i got no clue if its true
i dont like chromium so ill stick with firefox (and mullvad browser), even though im still technically supporting google since most of mozillas revenue is from google (though i believe it is better since its not software made by google)
Honestly, it’s mostly my comfort using chromium browsers (specifically chrome) for dev. I know the Firefox dev tools are way better than they used to be, but that’s one more thing to sink time into when I could instead just get things done lol.
But, it’s about that time.
you could try to degoogle chromium, if you want something similar to chrome
It feels like last week we were defending proprietary software, ads, and tracking against those mean old FOSS zealots who actually care about privacy and freedom. Are you saying we care about those things now?
We now know how much we do or don’t care about these things, based on all arguments provided. Some people might even give firefox a try after last week, which is great. I’m saying we have seen enough memes full of browser logo’s for now.
The only thing being defended was choice.
Haha, jokes on you, I daily drive Firefox Nightly
Firefox? That’s a strange way to spell LibreWolf.
LibreWolf? That’s a strange way to spell browsh.
Now that’s a joke to meme home about.
do you use Firefox on Mac by any chance? it’s been laggy for a few weeks now and I had to default to safari
I daily drive Linux, but I have used a Firefox on a Mac before
Bromite(android) and firefox(windows/linux/mac) 🔥
I like Firefox for Android. It has an extension to play YouTube videos in the background, and you can block ads using uBlock Origin. It also blocks ads on the mobile Twitter website, so I can avoid using those two shitty apps thanks to FF for Android.
I don’t know why it never occurred to me, while scrolling through ad-choked recipe blogs on my phone, that Firefox might have an ad block extension on mobile.
I just opened a post for Earl Grey cookies and I can actually read the damn recipe. You just changed my life. If I ever had kids I would name my firstborn after you.
Please don’t name your kid [email protected]
I recently switched and I’m really enjoying the reader mode. Also, I highly recommend revanced for YouTube. (´ω｀)
I switched from bromite to firefox(with exactly those addons you mentioned activated) years ago because it just adblocks perfectly while bromitr had issues multiple times that were fixed only through updating the app.
I did too but it’s dead slow on my bacon
Fennec (android) and Firefox (PC) for most people
Will try out fennec too
Bromite(android)
Cromite, a maintained fork of Bromite for Android:
Cromite is a Chromium fork based on Bromite with built-in support for ad blocking and an eye for privacy.
Unfortunately cromite uses adblock plus instead of ublock origin.
cromite uses adblock plus
That’s unfortunate, and a deal-breaker most likely.
Only arm64 and x86 apks
what other platform exists that you are using?
For browsers, you could use cromite like others suggest
I’m on many social media platforms like discord, telegram, whatsapp, lemmy, mastodon, matrix chat, etc
you said only arm64 and x86 apk I’m asking why you said that
https://lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz/comment/929729
are you using risc-v or something else?
I main a bacon which is arm only(32 bit)
snapdragon 801! wow how is it running with daily useage?
are you using lineageos or some other ROM?
Bromite was abandoned a long time ago. Highly recommend getting off of it ASAP as there have been critical security patvhes that it hasn’t gotten.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
For what?
Bromite hasn’t been updated in months, don’t use it.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
Don’t use bromite it’s not maintained anymore, use cromite.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
Why?
I guess because of the web environment integrity API proposed by Google. It enables your browser to tell the website it hasn’t installed AdBlock or any other undesired add on. This is marketed as improving security, but will mainly be used to block browsers which block adds.
And big plus for google: it can be extended very well. The site sees any extension installed, if the browser is headless. So only google can use bots in the future and can rake in all the ai training profits and sell all the searchengine ads.
Wei is a lot more than ad block control.
It’s not just open to Google and it doesn’t stop there either. Amazon could refuse to work if you’re on a phone and don’t have their app, or it could tell you to uninstall the Alibaba app before using
The possibilities are endless, and all benefits to be had are on the corporate side
I knew there‘d be some people with actual knowledge of the matter. Thanks for mentioning it.
I mean for some rare specific usages it could be usefull like ensuring bank webpages integrity or similar but mostly and the main usage would be for what you said.
It doesn’t though - it basically ensures your device settings.
Is that integrity? Maybe - if the attester code is flawless and handles all situations perfectly, it could theoretically add to integrity, but that’s not a realistic outcome
It’s not designed for that. It can only block the site - it doesn’t add to security, it takes away from it.
Say a bank designs their own attester - suddenly you have code that, if compromised, is always run in the most privileged execution context, in a way the user can’t control right before you enter your bank password
Context?
Indeed. So boring and useless.
