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the united states has never bowed to international authority. ever.
They think they the authority.
I’ve heard before that a key hallmark of liberalism throughout history is exceptions to its own tenants while continuing to claim the moral high ground.
Seems to fit here quite nicely.
Yes this is how sovereignty is maintained. This duality is why other members of the international community can refuse to follow ICC declarations one year and support the other years.
The United States doesn’t release that control willingly. Others would have to make them if they feel it’s that important.
Until someone can take that authority, they retain it.
Don’t they have plans to break out any US soldier about to stand trial in the ICC/Hauge?
Yes, part of George Bush Jr’s administration put that in place
Lol, you got down-voted for mentioning a real US law that’s been in existence for over 20 years. Someone doesn’t like reality.
I didn’t even notice any downvotes…
Hmm I’m using a mobile app and it showed a combined score <1 when I commented, which only happens from down-votes. Now I’m seeing +2 on the app and in a browser, so maybe what I was seeing before wasn’t accurate?
You know Biden is not part of the House and the House is run by Republicans, right?
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas
The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.
Denouncing is different from state sanctions. How biden has implicated that he opposes this bill according to the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
In the interest of learning, the ICC is not a state actor, so what exactly is the difference in this case?
EDIT: The sanction is actual travel and economic restrictions on members of the ICC. “Denounce” is the typical posturing. For those who care…
His words mean absolutely nothing. Biden will let the both-sides theater play out when convenient. When the both-sides theater does not favor israel Biden will bypass congress and use slimy loopholes to send israel weapons.
In earlier words Biden has already denounced the ICC and said they were not going to follow the arrest command. Called the ICC outrageous and simped for Netanyahu. Some lip-service to wash his bloody hands with now doesn’t magically make him innocent.
If Biden truly cared about international law he’d be doing everything in his power to prevent these sanctions from becoming reality. But he’s too busy bypassing congress to build his Trump wall against immigrants.
If his words mean nothing then stop posting his words denouncing the ICC as proof he supports these sanctions. Let me know if he signs it.
His words you quoted mean nothing as they are even contradicted by his earlier statement.
If he signs it will you support a third party instead of Joe Biden?
Ha why not. In fact I’ll go further. I just donated 200 dollars to humanitarian aid in gaza. I half thought about making it on the condition of him signing this bill, but then I thought it would be cruel for them to never receive it. It helps more than denying the reality of any differences between parties. After all of we can accept that reality why would they try to go any further?
Putting your money where your mouth is. That is one of the best flexes I’ve seen today. Well done!
My hat off to you sir.
Of course shitlibs are downvoting this lmao
Shitlibs? What the hell are you?
Outside of Lemmy.world, the majority of users are leftists of various sorts.
From fascist to communist, where do shitlibs sit?
Liberals are Capitalists, so closer to fascists than Communists.
Ah. I guess I was just being myopic with liberals and leftists being sort of synonymous in the US. Thanks!
Creepy.
“Who was the most notorious sadist in popular culture again? Now… Let’s see if we can make them look more militaristic”
What does he symbolize? There’s a rather simply meaning behind my profile picture that you still fail to grasp. You got a hint yesterday.
He symbolizes an evil tyrant. Something you apparently wanted for your avatar.
Indeed. But what differed him from his father? I did not pick Tywin, the calm and collected tyrant. Joffrey symbolizes something very specific.
I don’t get it and googling “Joffrey symbolizes” finds no relevant information
Joffrey represents a crybully. He bullies people, but acts insulted when someone retaliates. Often running to mommy to whine about it.
Now what does the helm mean again?
OK, so replace his photo with any congressperson if you insist on being so pedantic.
The point is the absurdity of american government, which Biden as the president, is a symbol of.
When advantageous, most republicans would also claim that the US respects international law, then turn around and pass a vote like this.
EDIT: about a third of house dems supported the bill
Well Mike Johnson would be most fitting as he is the speaker and decides which bills are up for a vote.
They probably don’t, but obfuscation gets more clicks when trolling for engagement.
“Trolling” is when you put a picture of someone with something that they agree with
Way to completely miss the point. He’s obviously there cuz he’s the current US president.
If they wanted to dunk on biden specifically of course, they could’ve just pointed out how he’s has been bypassing congress to send weapons to israel faster, or how he walked back the few sanctions on israeli settlers that were only for optics anyway since it was to pretend as if the state itself wasn’t behind it, but this is just the most recent shit the US is doing.
Edit: Looks like Biden does agree with the move against the ICC too, so there’s no need to bring up all the other shit he’s done specifically.
Under the caption about something the House did…
If you’re gonna be such a pedantic shitlib, should I edit the caption to be something from this article Linkerbaan mentioned? Since it’s about this incident specifically.
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas
The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.
Why go out of your way so much to try defending a fascist? Why do you have an image saved on your device to defend this piece of shit online?
I’d be Ok with changing that caption, don’t blame Biden for the stupid shit the House is doing.
Linkerbaan’s article isn’t on this bill. Articles on this bill say he doesn’t support it https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
Again denouncing and sanctioning have differences. He wags his finger, but he is against punching them down.
Being pedantic and defending fascists is also very hot right now among shitlibs apparently
Replace the caption with any of the other shit biden specifically has done that they mentioned if you’re this much of a redditor
I’m all for blaming Biden for things he did.
Sanctioning the ICC is not one of them and was done by his opposition.
Dems and reps are equally part of the ruling capitalist class and are the parties of capital. There is no real “opposition” between the two aside from optics.
And as you’d expect, Biden does of course agree with this move like another user mentioned.
75% of Democrats voted against this
100% of Republicans voted for
Dumbfucks: bOTh siDes!
Biden does not agree with this move. Denouncing is using words and sanctions are actions. Biden has implied that he opposes this bill and his administration have stated that they do not support sanctions. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
There absolutely is opposition between the sides.
The right wants to take away womens rights.
The left wants to take away gun rights.
Just as a quick example.
? Of course there is opposition between the left and the right. What does that have to do with two right wing genocidal capitalist parties?
Shitlibs being pedantic and trying to defend fascists is always hilarious, even if expected
I don’t know what a sHiTlIb is supposed to be here, but I do know it’s a term that conservative communities use for anyone who opposes them.
"I have never really understood exactly what a ‘liberal’ is, since I have heard ‘liberals’ express every conceivable opinion on every conceivable subject. As far as I can tell, you have the extreme right, who are fascist racist capitalist dogs like Ronald Reagan, who come right out and let you know where they’re coming from. And on the opposite end, you have the left, who are supposed to be committed to justice, equality, and human rights. And somewhere between those two points is the liberal.
As far as I’m concerned, ‘liberal’ is the most meaningless word in the dictionary. History has shown me that as long as some white middle-class people can live high on the hog, take vacations to Europe, send their children to private schools, and reap the benefits of their white skin privilege, then they are ‘liberal’. But when times get hard and money gets tight, they pull off that liberal mask and you think you’re talking to Adolf Hitler. They feel sorry for the so-called underprivileged just as long as they can maintain their own privileges."
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For the idiots trying to defend this piece of shit and claiming this is done by biden’s “opposition” or whatever, he obviously does agree with the move.
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas
The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.
Denounce != Sanction
Genuinely, what difference does it make? Regardless if he has done so via official legal action or not, he has made his position clear.
You mean his position that he opposes this law?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
I’m not going to explain the difference between taking legal action and not taking legal action. You should be able to figure that out on your own.
A bit disingenuous to put a picture of the head of the executive branch under a comment about a legislative body’s passed bill.
He agrees with it like you’d expect so no need to worry.
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas
The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.
Regardless, he is the face of the US empire right now. Makes sense to have his pic when the US is doing something again
Except Biden put out a statement opposing this legislation:
The Administration strongly opposes H.R. 8282, the “Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act.” H.R. 8282 would impose mandatory sanctions and visa restrictions on any foreign person determined to aid, materially assist, or provide financial support for efforts by the International Criminal Court (ICC) to undertake certain investigations and prosecutions, among others. This legislation could require sanctions against court staff, judges, witnesses, and U.S. allies and partners who provide even limited, targeted support to the court in a range of aspects of its work.
The Administration is deeply concerned about the ICC Prosecutor’s heedless rush to apply for arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials. At the same time, the Administration opposes the imposition of sanctions against the ICC, its personnel, its judges, or those who assist its work. There are more effective ways to defend Israel, preserve U.S. positions on the ICC, and promote international justice and accountability, and the Administration stands ready to work with the Congress on those options.
Just because he said something else critical of the ICC doesn’t mean he supports the house sanctions.
“heedless rush” oh fuck you press secretary. Nearing 50k dead more being starved daily, but somehow it’s heedless and unwarranted.
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Well, I read that as Biden saying “Are you insane?”
Definitely. Yet on brand for .ml
You do realize Biden has announced his support for denouncing the ICC for this very action by the House right? He absolutely should be held to account for it.
EDIT: Ok pedants, Sanction and ‘denounce’ are not the same - I get it. One has actual limitations preventing us from interacting with the people who don’t even want to come here anyway.
If you scroll up a bit, someone else was kind enough to post Biden’s quote opposing this piece of legislation.
Fair but the detail is irrelevant in this particular case.
“We support international law…” “Except when we don’t.”
Why even pretend?
Is that a sourced quote from Biden or the administration, or are you just making up a quote to get mad at?
There’s plenty of room to criticize Biden for his actual actions in the Israel-Palestine conflict. No need to make shit up.
In fact, the only reason I could think to do so would be if you were his political opponent. Like, hypothetically speaking, if I were a conservative on the Internet trying to undermine Biden’s support and also draw attention away from the fact that it’s Republicans in the House doing this, I might (hypothetically) post this article with a purposefully vague headline and a picture of Biden on the Internet. Seems doing something like that would serve GOP goals rather nicely, wouldn’t it?
Ah the everlasting if you’re not with us you’re against us argument. Classy.
Maybe, just maybe, I don’t think we should be supporting genocide; even when it’s “our team” - since apparently that’s the only way y’all see it.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m failing to see how accusing Biden of supporting things that he has explicitly condemns is going to help stop genocide here?
Come on, you can’t just expect .world users to actually read or think critically like that
The folks who can tell the difference between “denounce” and “sanction” are the ones who can’t think critically?
Good one.
On brand for .world users to defend a fascist in these comments
I’m not defending anyone just pointing out the disengenuous spin that is purposely being made by misrepresenting the republicans led house. And yes that is on brand for ml. I despise Bidens support for Israel very much but the level of shit like picturing those in totally different government branch coming out of ml is very noticeable and blatant. [email protected] has the same news but the picture is of the leader of the house. That is actually an accurate representation of the event.
Vote harder and maybe Genocide Joe will get to keep building his legacy for another 4 years.
They all behave like sovcit level nuttiness?
It’s not as bad as the shitlibs on .world at least
Or on literature.cafe apparently?
No offense, but it’s hard to take anything said seriously when a very vocal group of you are preemptively jumping to a derogatory term.
In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favorable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich. Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave owners.
- Lenin
“It’s clear Israel wants to do all it can to ensure civilian protection,” Biden said. “Let me be clear: What’s happening is not genocide.”
“Let me be clear,” the president said in the statement, “whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas.”
Hey i can agree with this statement.
Double standard when it comes to their interest.
The picture shows Biden but the text says House which is controlled by Republicans.
Very disingenuous. Not even the same branch of the government.
Don’t worry, he completely agrees with the move as you’d expect.
Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas
The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.
And why would it matter if it’s a rep or dem doing something specifically? They’re the two parties of capital and instruments of the capitalist class; one cannot exist without the other. It doesn’t matter which one specifically has been doing the most recent fascist shit.
One was trying to pass a law to sanction ICC the other said it was outrageous to equate Israel with Hamas.
I thought that the USA never signed the ICC agreement.
Yes in fact the US tried to thwart the creation of the ICC as much as they possibly could. The Israel question has been the biggest reason all along. But also they didn’t want Bush being prosecuted for invading Iraq.
Do you people understand how the house works? Jesus tap dancing Christ.
