you are answering a question with a different question. LLMs don’t make pictures of your mom. And this particular question?. One that has roughly existed since Photoshop existed.

It just gets easier every year. It was already easy. You could already pay someone 15 bucks on Fiver to do all of that, for years now.

Nothing really new here.

The technology is also easy. Matrix math. About as easy to ban as mp3 downloads. Never stopped anyone. It’s progress. You are a medieval knight asking to put gunpowder back into the box, but it’s clear it cannot be put back - it is already illegal to make non consensual imagery just as it is illegal to copy books. And yet printers exist and photocopiers exist.

Let me be very clear - accepting the reality that the technology is out there, it’s basic, easy to replicate and on a million computers now is not disrespectful to victims of no consensual imagery.

You may not want to hear it, but just like with encryption, the only other choice society has is full surveillance of every computer to prevent people from doing “bad things”. everything you complain about is already illegal and has already been possible - it just gets cheaper every year. What you want to have protection from is technological progress because society sucks at dealing with the consequences of it.

To be perfectly blunt, you don’t need to train any generative AI model for powerful deepfakes. You can use technology like Roop and Controlnet to synthesize any face on any image from a singe photograph. Training not necessary.

When you look at it that way, what point is there to try to legislate training with these arguments? None.

I can do this right now with photoshop dude what are you talking about. This just points to the need for more revenge porn laws.

We don’t have to sit in the fire when we can crawl out. Are we still on fire? Yeah. Can we do something about that? Yeah!

It seems like so many people these days want perfect solutions but the reality is that sometimes we have to make incremental solutions to erase the problem as much as we can.

Revenge porn/blackmail/exploitation will hopefully become much less obscene, not to the “let’s not prosecute this” levels, but maybe people can stop living in fear of their lives being ruined by malicious actors (unless that’s your kink, you do you).

It will take/drive/demand a massive cultural shift, but if you asked me which world I would rather live in, and the options are one where people are abused and exploited, or one where people can visualize their perversions more easily (but content creators have a harder time making a living) I’ll take the second. Though I may have straw-manned a bit, it’s not something I’ve thought of outside of this forum thread.

I wouldn’t be happy about it but me not being happy about something doesn’t mean I just get an override.

I think the boat has sailed a bit on this one. You can’t really copyright your own image and even if you were some famous person who is willing to do this and fight the legal battles you still have to go up against the fact that no one is making money off of it. You might be able to get a news source to take down that picture of you but it is another thing to make it so the camera company can’t even record you.

But hey I was saying for years that we need to change the laws forbidding photography of people and property without consent and everyone yelled at me that they have the right to use a telescoping lense to view whomever they wanted blocks away.

The creeps have inherited the earth.

They know nothing they haven’t seen before

Strictly speaking, you arguably don’t either. Your knowledge of the world is based on your past experiences.

You do have more-sophisticated models than current generative AIs do, though, to construct things out of aspects of the world that you have experienced before.

The current crop are effectively more-sophisticated than simply pasting together content – try making an image and then adding “blue hair” or something, and you can get the same hair, but recolored. And they ability to replicate artistic styles is based on commonalities in seen works, but you don’t wind up seeing chunks of material just done by that artist.

Like, you have a concept of relative characteristics, and the current generative AIs do not. You can tell a human artist “make those breasts bigger”, and they can extrapolate from a model built on things they’ve seen before. The current crop of generative AIs cannot. But I expect that the first bigger-breast generative AI is going to attract users, based on a lot of what generative AIs are being used for now.

There is also, as I understand it, some understanding of depth in images in some existing systems, but the current generative AIs don’t have a full 3d model of what they are rendering.

But they’ll get more-sophisticated.

I would imagine that there will be a combination of techniques. LLMs may be used, but I doubt that they will be pure LLMs.