I was wondering about the pros and cons about self hosting your services via Yunohost. I currently have all my services hosted in docker containers on a Debian homeserver. As I was planning on a fresh install, setting up an Ansible script to simplify backup & restoring and bake in a centralized user management system (currently I annoyingly have separate passwords for each service for my 5 users).

Now I was wondering if I could get some experience reports from Yunohost users. What are the problems you faced? Are you satisfied? Are there so many services you couldn’t find that you rather went the selfhosted way and integrate Authelia or a similar service? Any ideas and feedback is welcome that can help make up my mind.

  • haverholm@kbin.earth
    15·
    4 months ago

    I tried Yunohost once, and everything worked as long as I stuck to the officially supported apps. The community forum was supportive within reason, and would respond with advice fairly quickly. When I reported an error with an unofficial app, however, I was instantly told off that I shouldn’t expect any help.

    Now, having used and admined my Linux desktop systems for a decade (without claiming to be an actual sysadmin), I nosed around the system a bit and to my eyes it seemed a right mess of app and user folders, permissions and containers. Surely, a combination of my limited understanding of server apps and a system that is made primarily for GUI use to make administration easier for beginners.

    What I mean to say is, if you already run a set of working docker containers, you’re probably more advanced than the intended Yunohost user. I was that half ounce more literate that I became frustrated with the GUI-centric setup, and imperial pounds too illiterate to actually muck around in the command line.

    Look at it this way, Yunohost offers a fraction of the apps available on Docker, and not all of them are maintained. They do offer a graphic admin interface and out-of-the-box working setups (or did five years ago when I tried it).

    • danceswithcats@lemmy.mlEnglish
      01·
      4 months ago

      When I reported an error with an unofficial app, however, I was instantly told off that I shouldn’t expect any help.<

      So, you’re complaining about a lack of support for an unsupported app? They are actually called ‘unsupported’. That’s quite a clue.

      Also, the catalogue of supported apps is pretty huge now, thanks to a large and enthusiastic community.

      • haverholm@kbin.earth
        1·
        4 months ago

        Yeah, that’s the kind of unhelpful condescension I recognise from that “enthusiastic” community. Thanks for the nitpick.

  • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    5·
    4 months ago

    I tried it, but not knowing what was going on under the hood made me worried about how I would fix anything when it broke, and how timely updates to software would be. I also don’t think it had any kind of central user management for the installed apps.

    If you’re already familiar with docker I would stick with that.

    • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      It has user-management, though. YunoHost comes with LDAP, provides email addresses to all users, a permission system to allow what groups of users can acces which services… And they integrate that into the individual services. That is, if they have some LDAP plugin. A decent amount of services can’t be tied into their user system. But it works flawless for chat, Nextcloud and the main contenders…

      • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        Interesting, as I remember it didn’t do integration with a lot of apps, so you end up with some that have auth and some that don’t at all, and some that you have to manage auth internally.

        • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          That is correct. Most big apps have LDAP auth and YunoHost will have them integrated into their system. But lots of other apps don’t have that, or it’s complicated for other reasons… And you’ll end up with those not integrated and seperate. They show you the level of integration somewhere.

  • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    If you stick to the apps that are indicated as being well supported it’s good. The main reason I use it is because I’m part of a team that includes people not comfortable with the command line so having a web interface to manage a server means not everything falls on my shoulders.

  • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    4 months ago

    If you have the knowledge to do what you’re doing now, you have no need for Yunohost. It’s janky at best and doesn’t have much facility for advanced use. It wants you to do it their way only, which is fine if you’re new at all this. Eventually, I think people just move on.

  • irotsoma@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    4 months ago

    One of the primary requirements for my latest project moving a bunch of stuff to self hosted is that if it has a GUI that is going to be internet facing, it either has to support OIDC or it has to be something low risk enough that I feel comfortable setting it up without much security and just setting up a single basic auth login with traefik. A few apps I had trouble finding, but worked most of it out.