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    They’re all referencing the same interview and the same quotes from the same person… None of them seems to disagree on what he said as such. He just literally doesn’t in any of the quoted parts in any of the articles linked claim or confirm what your news article claimed it confirms, they’re just making a claim of their own on the meaning of his words and their own opinion. That’s the difference.

    Hell, you linked to The European Conservative which is an outright even in the name politically biased news source. But it’s the same quotes on all of them, so that part doesn’t matter since the actual interview is there.

    Giving more weight to Wikipedia articles than Ukrainian officials is definitely… an interesting choice.

    It’s the same exact official that’s being quoted in all of the news articles. How are you not getting this… The official being quoted just doesn’t say what you claimed he did. You saw Wikipedia and thought that’s your way out of your claim but missed the whole thing of it being literally the same person with everyone referencing literally the same interview lol.

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        4 days ago

        >Doesn’t actually address any of the points mentioned

        >Drops in a 26 minute video

        >“Just watch this bro”

        Fucking bravo.

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            Article is better, but even better would be if you quoted a part that’s actually relevant to whatever point you’re trying to make. And perhaps even stated what point you’re trying to make.

            If this is still about Ukrainians being “western handlers ordered them to keep fighting”, your linked article doesn’t give you much help:

            U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, following in the tradition of British anti-Russian war-mongering dating back to the Crimean War (1853-6), actually flew to Kiev to warn Zelensky against neutrality and the importance of Ukraine defeating Russia on the battlefield.

            So much so for Western handlers ordering them to keep fighting. Wah-wah.

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              Take your pick. You very broadly denied western involvement, and this delves into the details.

              That quote actually makes my point. Not yours.

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                You very broadly denied western involvement, and this delves into the details.

                Do share where I “broadly denied western involvement”.

                That quote actually makes my point. Not yours.

                For reference, your point:

                Ukraine wasn’t invited to the decision to fight a proxy war either, or have its government overthrown in the Maidan Coup. And when they attempted peace talks before, their western handlers ordered them to keep fighting.

                It does not at all prove your point. It’s just again based on the interview where the person doesn’t actually say any of that and he actually said there were many reasons for the talks having failed, namely lacking security guarantees. Wah-wah.

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            Why are you just throwing links? You should at least make an attempt to quote your sources so you don’t leave people here reading erroneous information. @Kusimulkku at least gave you the courtesy of doing that.

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              If I summarize the info, I’m accused of making it up. If I provide sources, I get complaints about no one wanting to read links.

              Bots will move the goalposts no matter what they get.