• raoulduke85@lemm.ee
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    9 days ago

    Trump literally said he was for banning guns to people who are mentally unstable. When they rewrite what mentally unstable means, it means if you’re trans, lgtbq, take antidepressants, antipsychotics, anxiety…

    Also, us liberals are buying guns faster than MAGAts. We don’t fuck around.

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      Wait, are you suggesting that taking antidepressants, antipsychotics, or having anxiety aren’t forms of mental instability? That’s quite literally the definition. Seems super reasonable that we wouldn’t want someone in that position to own a firearm.

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        I’m trying to think of a way to phrase this that you might understand…

        Let’s say your left arm is weaker than your right arm, because you only yank your hog with your right hand. Your left arm isn’t unstable, but it has some weakness compared to your normal nightly lover. But if you got that left hand a textured glove, then it would be just as good as righty. Maybe even better because you do like the variety.

        That’s what antidepressants are. They’re a small kick in the serotonin to get people to feel normal.

        Mentally unstable isn’t that. Unstable are the people with rage issues. You know the ones. You’ll hang out with them sometimes, but if they’re going too hard at the bar, you duck out early because they’re gonna do something stupid.

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      You can even 3D print a weapon that’s able to fire multiple shots. With the right material even up to a few dozen (with reduced accuracy).

      I wonder at what point the US will learn that guns aren’t candy that should be available to everyone, but also that high crime rates can’t be suppressed through power but have to be solved through social policies. The difficulty to obtain a weapon has to be high, with the incentives of doing so low.

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        As a non-US gun owner and 3d printing hobbyist who has done some metal working. 3d printing a gun is one of the harder ways of doing so. The issue is that guns are not hard to make in today’s world, it has been demonstrated that “hard” gun control does not work. The two best examples of “hard” gun control are Japan and the UK and both have examples of how unrealistic these are, In Japans case a homemade gun was used to kill Shinzo Abe and the UK (you would think I would use the troubles but no) is best summed up by a man named Philip Luty who was an anti gun control activist who published a book on how to make automatic firearms in a shed.

        You hit the nail on the head with solving though social policies however. Even a simple gun licensing program and mandatory safety training can turn a nation of idiots with guns (the US) into a nation that has gun owners in it (like Italy or malaysia). I don’t think gun violence is going away, it is now a part of the human condition. What can be done is to not hand out firearms like candy and tie the idea of a nations “safety” or “freedom” to that of firearm ownership.

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          Canada is a good one to compare the US to as well. We have fun licencing, and frankly overly strict rules on what guns you can own. We have a gun violence problem fuelled by the same sort of social issues as the US, but almost all of the weapons used are illegally imported from the US-- legal owners who bother with the safety courses don’t murder people

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            Why the hell would a licensed gun owner use their own (likely registered) firearm they paid (on average) over $500 to say rob a liquor store?

            If in those sorts of dire straights and in need of money you sell your firearm (I have bought some off of people in just such a low place). This once again goes back to social policy, if there is no safety net then desperate people do desperate things.

            Canada I did not want to use as an example since no matter what law is passed (for whatever political reason) its all pointless when you have the us right there providing all the illegal firearms any criminal would want. Canada should build a wall, and make the us pay for it…

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    I just finished my NRA Basic Pistol class this weekend so that I can get the NRA Handgun Instructor certification next weekend. Personally, aside from having loved guns (and all other arms and armor) since I was in kindergarten, I’ve been competing in hit factor and PCSL matches for a few years. My intent is to offer free one-on-one classes to people in underserved communities that wouldn’t be comfortable around the kind of people that are normally firearms instructors. (Like, the person I took the class from seemed pretty cool, until he was talking to the RSO, and hooooooooly shit, dude’s pretty far right; apparently I can camouflage as being far right just because I know a lot about guns and shoot pretty okay.

    Thing is, the right to keep and bear arms is both a universal civil right for Americans and is an individual right. (The last part is pretty clear when you look at the historical context; not only were individuals allowed to own firearms, but able bodied men were obligated to own military-appropriate arms, and be ready to be called up if they were needed.) Yes, it is for self-defense–that’s inherited from English common law–but that’s not the primary intent.

    It’s an incredibly privileged take to think that you can remove guns from the people, leave them in the hands of the gov’t, and thing that you’re gonna be just fine.

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    Yeah but the time for “ban guns” talk is over. We’re pivoting to “buy guns” now.

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          instead of buying a new gun… get a used one! better yet, simply wait to inherit one from a dead relative! even better, steal one from a conservative!

          arms dealers hate this one trick!

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      The problem is we only have about two times the amount of guns compared to our population. We need to get up a ten to one ratio of guns to people to fix our problems.

      Think of the shareholders! If we don’t keep buying new guns at a breakneck pace they won’t have infinite growth. We need to arm both sides in every conflict including our own. It is just what we do.

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        It’s not the number of guns that’s the problem, it’s the distribution; having twice as many guns as people is no use when the guns are all in the basement of some asshole who supports the fascists

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    Wait what? You guys want to arm yourselves to protect yourselves, and conservatives want the same, and now you want to ban weapons?

    Do you not see the cognitive dissonance in here

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      I’ll happily bludgeon Nazis. honestly I’m far more lethal with a bat than I am with a gun.

      still got guns though.

      it’s all up to the fascists to choose how they want to end their lives, but I’d rather they chose the bat.