Incredible to think about that we got it right the first time (with email) and still had to spend the last 20 years complaining about centralized social networks.
That is why it’s important to also use other software than Lemmy like Mbin or Piefed. Users want choice and the Fediverse is only as decentralized as the software running on it. So please, think about this.
I dont think its the software* but the instance that matters. Everyone being on lw is not good (not that there is anything wrong with lw, just that centralization is bad). Thankfully most lemmy apps nowadays default to lemm.ee which should hopefully counter most of the centralization. Lemmy apps should rotate the default server when it gets too big which will help a lot (also shows the impact defaults have).
*Software would have mattered if the main devs instance was also the biggest. Or a very popular lemmy client defaulted to their own instance. With lemmy thats not the case.
I do not agree with you. Yes I’m a developer myself of Mbin. And I created Mbin. However, the problem with decentralization is that you still need to trust the developers who are building the decentralized apps. So within a decentralized ecosystem the centralized point are the developers and its project.
If you do not agree with Lemmy, you can go to Mbin. And visa versa; if you do not agree with Mbin devs, you can go to Lemmy, etc. Meaning you do need to have alternatives, otherwise choice is an illusion and decentralization is also an illusion.
~ Melroy, Mbin developer.
Big fan of mbin,
I’m sure this has been asked before, but do you plan on adding support for lemmy’s api? Lemmy really has the edge in apps.
I think a surefire way to help with this would be to have a rule that any instance that becomes the largest one on Lemmy should lock itself instantly. That way, we’ll only surpass the current max number of users on a single instance until it’s completely spread out
This sounds neat, I kinda like this
I would suggest giving it a smallish margin so that it wouldn’t get annoying with two similarly sized instances.
Fair point
I’m not sure the smaller Lemmy servers running on a pi or resident internet upload could handle the equal sizable fraction of .world . it would be interesting to calculate how many users total on Lemmy divided by how many public joinable instances and see the averages or which servers are forced to scale the most.
This would take away complete user freedom to choose the server they want which is controversial.
I really do want to point out, Gmail is gonna get a massive lead as time goes on.
Doing parental consent forms for my schools library, most of the parents email were yahoo, Hotmail, etc. but EVERY SINGLE student email was Gmail, with the exception of like 10 out of (at least) 300 pages(edit: to clarify, 300 pages is 300 emails)
There really is no competitor to Google Drive’s online collaborative document and slideshow editing right now. Apple and Microsoft have made some weak attempts but until their software works fully in a browser and is 100% free to get started, it won’t catch on. It not just about email.
mega is good, in my experience.
I meant the productivity suite not just file sharing. I edited my comment to try to make it clearer.
Been on Gmail since it was invite only. It really is best in class. Hate on Google all ya like, but they got a lock on email early in the game.
And for those that think getting away from it is a matter of choosing another email provider, I’ll say that Gmail does loads more than deliver email. Authentication is a huge and obvious use. Reading comments around here leads me to believe that many don’t understand Google for Business and how integrated an org can be with those services.
Another note, just because the domain isn’t gmail.com doesn’t mean it isn’t served by Google. For most companies it would be insane to host their own services and cheaper to let Google handle it all.
That’s because these students were brain washed on that garbage.
I wonder how much of that has to do wtih chromebooks.
It’ll probably follow Zipf’s law, like most things.
Okay, based on that article Zipf’s law seems to mostly apply to languages. Cities, for example, don’t follow it.
Lemmy.world, lemm.ee.
The thing about email is that the software is proprietary. Each of these providers has their own implementation of the interface, features, and integration with their tools (Google drive, photos, etc).
As long as lemmy servers run lemmy software, this won’t happen, or at least won’t be an issue as you can move to another server and not have to change your usage habits.
However if some server owners decide to fork Lemmy and develop their proprietary server, overhaul the UI, add features and attract users, it will start to become a problem.
Email had standardized protocols and clients for 50 years, and still does.
Most people just use the web interface
Maybe you do.
They didn’t use to, anyway.
But also what you’re describing is a solved problem and you’d think it’d be nice for you to learn that.
Lemmy uses activityPub, and open protocol for social networking.
Piefed and mbin are both open source, and interoperate with lemmy.
It really just depends on how users have to choose a service and how much it matters. With email the service used doesn’t really matter so most either use what is given to them (here that’s often from their ISP) or what is recomended to them (e.g. Gmail or Hotmail here in the EU)
federation and the concept of communities have always been a little awkward together since it’s based on sunreddits where there is only one always.
The only ways this pans out is with having one server where the community is most successful to eat up the others or having like two or three who hate each other
As long as nothing dominates I am ok with it
Looks like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law
This is a terrible distribution and the semi-centralisation and gatekeeping by the established actors is one of the reason email is dying.
I think we can do much better than that 👍
Email has been “dying” for 20+ years. I’ll believe it when I see it.
yeah its hard for an essential service to die. I will spout one of my super downvoted opinions but I think every government should be providing email service the same way they provide physical mail service. With all the rights currently given to physical mail. Im not saying as the only option and im being idealistic in thinking we can do like what we did with physical mail in this modern time. But I don’t care. Its essential and there should be a version people have that is a right and cannot go away.
I’m not sure why the USPS shouldn’t be the sole provider of email in the US.
Why in the world should it be?
No profit motive and no private interests.
I’m sure there could still be private carriers, just like there’s still private delivery services like UPS and FedEx, but I don’t see why the average person should be relying on a private company for essential infrastructure.
You really trust the US government to control your communications? Especially given the last 20 years?
There exist plenty of free email platforms right now. I’m not against the government providing one, but unlike physical packages, sending an email to Bumfuck, Missouri doesn’t cost any more than sending it across town.
There’s the cost of the ISP, and for that I think there should be a municipal option for sure, to provide service to unprofitable regions just like postal mail and rural electrification.
There’s a reason they’re trying to destroy and privatize USPS. It’s highly unionized and the workers won’t let them use USPS against us.
Also, while we’re at it, USPS should also provide municipal internet.
That pie chart isnt including trust.
If I see a Hotmail/yahoo email, I immediately assume spammer or nontechnical boomer who has already been scammed a few times.
Lemmy instances have similar stigmas
