• Nalivai@lemmy.world
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    Companies that do anti-consumer practices shouldn’t think it’s the norm. The more we fuck Apple, the less other companies think that it’s OK to fuck consumers.

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      Companies that do anti-consumer practices shouldn’t think it’s the norm

      Yes, and they would know if people would start voting with their wallets.

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        Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit, it’s a myth corpos are telling people so we regulate them less. They have so much power to inject themselves into human’s lives, make themselves part of your existence. You can for example try to walletvote Microsoft out of your life whatever the fuck you want, while you were trying it, they bought a politician or twelve, and now they’re part of your government, your education system, your military, and your finance sector.
        While democracy still exists, the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations.

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          Exactly this! Capitalism without regulation leads to dictatorship of few cooperations that have the power to let you starve, if you not comply.

          How do people not see that?!

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          Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit

          Disagree completely. It’s the most effective tool we have to control corpos that does not rely on another entity.

          they bought a politician or twelve … the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations

          So, you yourself say they buy politicians, but in the same sentence, you want the people they are buying to fight their power with regulations?

          Do you see where you went wrong here?

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            That’s the whole point, when you do useless shit like buying from one corpo instead of another, they only need to buy couple of politicians to succeed. The only way for you to combat it is to elect politicians they can’t buy and apply political pressure to the rest of them, so they can’t buy them all. If instead of that you play their game and try to outbuy a corpo that owns half of your country already, not only you will lose every time, you are actually doing exactly they want you to do.
            “No ethical consumption under capitalism” is about this, not anything else.

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        The whole point of a walled garden is to stop people (their wallets, really) leaving.

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          Not only that, it’s also to prevent outside entitys from “hunting” on your playground.

          That doesn’t really change anything - you can switch from iOS at any time if you so desire. Most people just find it too inconvenient.

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            I literally don’t understand the people downvoting you. There’s a whole reason IT exists because people are fucking stupid and do stupid shit with their freedoms. This, in turn, can really hurt others (viruses, worms, botnets, etc) and opening things up really just means larger attack spaces with many more vectors for entry.

            I understand the wallet holding aspect, but we should be expecting informed decisions from consumers. Doesn’t the whole of Lemmy bitch about what we’ve done here in America because of being uninformed? Same principles apply to even lesser things like tech.

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              I literally don’t understand the people downvoting you

              That’s just the lemmy hivemind. Nothing to really worry about. When leaving reddit for lemmy, I was 100% expecting that one thing to stay, and I was correct.

              I understand the wallet holding aspect, but we should be expecting informed decisions from consumers

              Absolutely, I totally agree with that - I’m very sure that many problem we currently have wouldn’t even be a thing if consumers made informed decisions and not ordered everything off amazon because “it’s easy lol”.