• LiveLM@lemmy.zip
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    8 days ago

    Awesome. So much for “Swiss privacy” huh? Where the hell do I move from Proton? 😮‍💨

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      8 days ago

      I switched to tutanota for email and mullvad for VPN as soon as they came out as pro-trump.

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          7 days ago

          A fair point, but it’s better than proton or especially gmail and other traditional email providers. Do you have a better alternative to suggest?

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            5 days ago

            I’ll review again. Last time I looked was 3 to 4 years ago.

            I’m sticking with Proton for now. If Switzerland ends up being no different than the 5 eyes, I’ll be more intent on finding a replacement.

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              7 days ago

              I self host most of my digital life but I will never host my own email or PW manager for the simple reason that if I screw up either than I could lock myself out of my ENTIRE digital life.

              Also, since email is only as private/secure as the weakest user in the conversation, it seems to me like I would get a very minimal privacy gain from doing so, not worth the risk for normal everyday usage IMHO.

              If I really need to communicate securely with someone there’s better options out there than email anyways.

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                7 days ago

                @this Email is especially tricky because most large email providers will flag residential mail servers, and hosting on a provider is a separate issue of security and control

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              7 days ago

              Can we just be realistic and understand that most people can’t/won’t do this. Most people do not have the time/technical knowhow to host everything themselves.

              Edit: came back to this and wanted to clarify. It would be great if people could self host literally everything but I don’t get any crucial information through emails or really ever besides in person. I am more than willing to pay a reasonable amount to support privacy features but I’m not personally willing to spend 10x that amount in time to do something that will probably not work because I am not an IT person. I do not have to time to learn how to self host 26 different pieces of software that I have been told I need to self host nor do I have the spare computer parts lying around to build a machine to host them. I have looked at self hosting a matrix client because that is the one type of app that I get anything I want to keep private sent to me but my family is already using signal so I’m unconvinced that switching is worth while.

              I should have made paragraphs but I forgot to my bad.

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                7 days ago

                I totally agree with your approach to choices. I don’t have the time nor insight into politics to make educated decisions so I just flip a coin every fourth year and is done with it. Yet people berate me for my ignorance?!

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      8 days ago

      There was never swiss privacy - “crypto ag” and Fichenaffäre for the starters