• Chris Remington@beehaw.orgOPM
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    more people need to self-host, or at the very least we need more mon-and-pop style datacenters.

    most would rather offload hardware costs and, more importantly, security, to those more knowledgeable.

    running one’s own hardware is extremely time intensive, nevermind power and equipment costs

    These three points that you’ve made are NOT accurate. I could go into great detail as to why this is but I won’t waste our time nor embarrass you.

    The problem, unfortunately, always comes down to money.

    This isn’t a technological problem.

    All of the popular widely used corporate platforms gain more users because they have the money in which to market/advertise themselves.

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      That’s not contradictory. Most would rather offload hardware and security costs, running one’s own hardware is time intensive nevermind power and equipment costs, and you can indeed add advertising and awareness costs to that list. But you do also need the resource investments for a service to start with before advertising it.

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        Please look at the big picture here. The Fediverse exists only because of a very niche user base that are technologically exposed to it.

        The general public HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE that the Fediverse exists.

        Therefore, it would take either an enormous amount of incredibly generous people to market/advertise the Fediverse OR a fuck-ton of money to pay people to market/advertise the Fediverse.

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          Apologies for butting in here, but this brings up an IMHO very important point:

          The general public HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE that the Fediverse exists.

          If I may be so bold as to add: …and they like it that way.

          When it comes to online stuff, most people are lazy, very very ignorant and anywhere inbetween politely indifferent and openly hostile towards any attempt to educate them. They want to look at cat videos and pr0n, collect likes for their food pics and chat with their grandkids. The technology behind all that is a nuisance, not a tool.
          By and large, I think those people can’t be helped, because they’re happy with the status quo. If anything, you’re the enemy for wanting to take away their beloved Tiktok and WhatsApp.

          That means our largest efforts - self-hosting, the Fediverse, … will probably always be a bit of a parallel universe to the Internet at large.
          This is sad for humanity in general, but it makes enshittification of those services both technically more difficult and (due to its small size and enshittification-resistant populace) less commercially viable.
          And small doesn’t equal insignificant.

          So what I’m saying is, we shouldn’t see the Fediverse etc. as a replacement for everything, but as a safe space for refugees. And that’s what it excels at.

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          Yes, promotion and awareness of a service is necessary for its continuation. I’ve agreed with that. But again, without the technological resources and money, there is no service to promote and nothing to continue because it hadn’t even started.

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      Wtf??

      What the hell are you even smoking???

      I do agree with one tiny little bit of your list, though, and that’s the fact that your rebuttal would, in fact, be a waste of time.