In all likelihood they would be neither. With modern technology, we don’t need a large percent of the population farming. I realize communists typically eliminate the intellectuals and kulaks—those who would actually have useful knowledge—first, but the smart things would be to have the current farmers keep farming. You’d likely be assigned to a factory to manufacture widgets for the rest of your days.
Both can be offensively violent but the types of people drawn to either vary widely. For example I cannot say I know any socialists who were individually racist (as opposed to racist by virtue of being American as structural racism runs deep).
If I kill its because I’m defending myself, if you kill its because you are violent!
Say both sides…
Are you seriously trying to say that communist governments haven’t committed mass murder on an industrial scale just to fortify their power structures?
Wouldn’t owning cows as an individual be a form of theft in the USSR of the 1920s? Wouldn’t they be the collective’s cows and if you made them “yours” you were stealing?
No it’s a “theory” that has not been demonstrated to hold up and isn’t granted a lot of respect in political science circles.
While certain aspects can be shared, such as a greater appreciation for authoritarianism, the actual beliefs are so incredibly different and the people drawn to them are so different that the “theory” doesn’t work.
At what point does it discuss horseshoe theory? They seem to talk about the holocaust vs the soviets which isn’t really what horsehoe theory purports to be about (and again the horseshoe theory is complete bullshit)
That’s not what the Horseshoe theory proposes. It suggests that the tactics used by both sides are similar, which is often true, and that either ideology could appeal to the people that get involved with far right and far left groups which is the part that is completely unproven and is absolute bullshit.
The guy who joins ISIS because of how their views of Islam are not honored who thinks the degeneration of society is due to the movement away from Allah is not going to become a communist under different circumstances much like a Marxist is unlikely to adopt a pro-monarchist POV.
Again Horseshoe theory is bullshit but your source says nothing at all about it.
The system encourages those people to engage in the arms race for the next killer app to earn boatloads of money and win the game of capitalism. Finding people who are genuinely interested in maintaining the infrastructure that makes any of that possible is the problem.
Do they eliminate intellectuals? The USSR and China seem to have avoided this. I don’t believe most nations did this other than Cambodia and I will never see that shitshow as socialist.
In the USSR it was kind of mixed. If you were at all associated with the old regime you were fucked but tbh a lot of them weren’t super sympathetic anyway.
In China, lol. They fucking murdered everyone who knew anything and then suffered horribly for it. Of course, even then they might have been somewhat okay except Mao thought he knew better so they got the Great Leap Forward and stuff like the Four Pests campaign.
In all likelihood they would be neither. With modern technology, we don’t need a large percent of the population farming. I realize communists typically eliminate the intellectuals and kulaks—those who would actually have useful knowledge—first, but the smart things would be to have the current farmers keep farming. You’d likely be assigned to a factory to manufacture widgets for the rest of your days.
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Eh, so do Communists but they just eliminated them on industrial scales.
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I wonder if there’s a term for how the far right and the far left tend to be similar…
There is but horseshoe theory is not well regarded in political science circles because it hasn’t held up.
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Both can be offensively violent but the types of people drawn to either vary widely. For example I cannot say I know any socialists who were individually racist (as opposed to racist by virtue of being American as structural racism runs deep).
Horseshoe theory is bullshit
Say both sides…
Are you seriously trying to say that communist governments haven’t committed mass murder on an industrial scale just to fortify their power structures?
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LOL
The irony here is that if you actually had two cows in the late 1920’s USSR you’d catch a bullet.
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Wouldn’t owning cows as an individual be a form of theft in the USSR of the 1920s? Wouldn’t they be the collective’s cows and if you made them “yours” you were stealing?
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Fair
Ronald Reagan, famous time traveller.
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I believe it’s holocaust trivialization
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
No it’s a “theory” that has not been demonstrated to hold up and isn’t granted a lot of respect in political science circles.
While certain aspects can be shared, such as a greater appreciation for authoritarianism, the actual beliefs are so incredibly different and the people drawn to them are so different that the “theory” doesn’t work.
I’m calling horseshoe theory holocaust trivialization. Well, I’m linking to a Jewish holocaust expert doing that.
At what point does it discuss horseshoe theory? They seem to talk about the holocaust vs the soviets which isn’t really what horsehoe theory purports to be about (and again the horseshoe theory is complete bullshit)
It is about the equating of nazis and Soviets, aka what horseshoe theory purports to be true.
That’s not what the Horseshoe theory proposes. It suggests that the tactics used by both sides are similar, which is often true, and that either ideology could appeal to the people that get involved with far right and far left groups which is the part that is completely unproven and is absolute bullshit.
The guy who joins ISIS because of how their views of Islam are not honored who thinks the degeneration of society is due to the movement away from Allah is not going to become a communist under different circumstances much like a Marxist is unlikely to adopt a pro-monarchist POV.
Again Horseshoe theory is bullshit but your source says nothing at all about it.
“Horseshoe theory”
Assuming technology didn’t take a dive bomb that would be automated fairly quickly as well, look at how much robotics already does in manufacturing.
Most people would be reassigned as IT and programmers, robotics technicians, etc. If it was actually done properly.
There’s already like 10 times as many programmers and whatnot then there need to be. Look at how many duplicates apps there are for everything.
More likely they would be booted out as well
The system encourages those people to engage in the arms race for the next killer app to earn boatloads of money and win the game of capitalism. Finding people who are genuinely interested in maintaining the infrastructure that makes any of that possible is the problem.
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Do they eliminate intellectuals? The USSR and China seem to have avoided this. I don’t believe most nations did this other than Cambodia and I will never see that shitshow as socialist.
USSR despised and fought the Intelligentsia, sending them to gulags
They got to the moon using what people exactly?
In the USSR it was kind of mixed. If you were at all associated with the old regime you were fucked but tbh a lot of them weren’t super sympathetic anyway.
In China, lol. They fucking murdered everyone who knew anything and then suffered horribly for it. Of course, even then they might have been somewhat okay except Mao thought he knew better so they got the Great Leap Forward and stuff like the Four Pests campaign.
You are fucking kidding, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge