Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]

I mean, I’m aromantic and have a partner. It’s not like I don’t love them, I do, intensely. I simply don’t understand what the difference is between romantic and platonic love.

Like, what’s different about the love you have for a romantic partner than the love you have for a friend? Is it simply the addition of being sexually attracted to someone? So romantic love is friendship plus sexual attraction? What happens when the sexual attraction fades? Do you stop romantically loving your partner? Do you then break up because you’re no longer sexually attracted to them? I just don’t get it, frankly.

Sexual attraction for me is so, so fickle, it comes and goes and never stays. If I tried to build partner relationships on sexual attraction, well, I’d never stick with one partner for long, I’d be breaking up with people constantly, and that sounds like a miserable way to live. Especially since I’ve found a person I get along great with, we have similar long-term goals, senses of humor that mesh great, they’re everything I want in a life partner. I really don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to be married to this person, we’ve built our life together, why would I throw that away just because I don’t really “get” romantic love?

Back in topic, would you be that negative if AI’s issues were addressed and solved? Because they will be addressed and solved. It’s a basic business need to minimise costs (energy, water) and solve legal disputes (copyright).

The issues with LLMs will never be solved. The environmental damage and copyright issues will persist as long as capitalism does. And those aren’t even my main issues. These fucking things are marketed as thinking machines that can reason and help people work through problems, but they are fundamentally incapable of that. They hallucinate and spout nonsense and it’s not a matter of “oh, just train them better, they’ll eventually be worth using”, there are fundamental mathematical reasons that these things spout so much nonsense, and no amount of high quality training data will ever fix it.

So you think that the lack of disgust over cell phones (or smartphones, I’m happy to talk about them instead, since that’s what you meant) had more to do with the lack of social media than anything inherent in the technology. I don’t know that I agree, really. It’s possible, I suppose, but I don’t really use social media now (except posting on Hexbear), and I would say my disgust with LLMs has more to do with my understanding of the mathematics behind them and my experiences using them, rather than listening to what other people are saying about them.

At this rate of adoption, in a few years it will be as normal as having a mobile phone (they weren’t around only 20 years ago)

First, mobile phones were extremely common in 2005 (20 years ago), even I had one, and I was literally a child.

Second, and this is the part I’m actually curious about: I wonder if there were people in the 80s and 90s (when mobile phones were actually rare, but becoming more common) who felt the same pure, visceral disgust for them that I feel for LLMs. I sort of suspect not, but I could be wrong, and I’d be curious to read anti-cell phone writing from that era, to see what people were worried about and whether those worries are in any way the same as the current worries I (and many others) have about LLMs.

Well see, here you have good proof that chatGPT isn’t actually “the best knowledge retrieving tool at the moment”. ChatGPT (and every other LLM) suuuucks at complicated math, because these text extruders don’t reason. Seriously, try out some more complicated math problems. I think you’ll find chatGPT gets most of them wrong, and in infuriating ways that make very little sense.

I don’t disagree that we need better math instruction for students. I’ve been saying this since I was a student. But using chatGPT being horrible at math as evidence of this is, well, ridiculous, frankly. ChatGPT’s performance isn’t based on how well your average high schooler understands something, and I don’t know why you’re trying to tie those two very different things together.

Ok? I think you’re having a fight with someone who isn’t me! I’m really just trying to say that your reading of the article about vibe coding is extremely uncharitable. The author didn’t seem, to me, like someone who is against making stuff easier for people, but instead someone with worries about whether LLM’s might actually be dangerous.

You can disagree about their danger (you clearly do), but I’m unqualified to speak to their danger (I’m not a coder), and so that aspect of the matter isn’t something I’m eager to discuss, and isn’t something I’ve tried to discuss. All I’ve said is that I think your dismissal of the author of the article as someone who won’t be satisfied until everyone is coding in assembly is wildly off-base.

Hey, I don’t fucking know, I’m not a coder. Maybe people were blindly copy-pasting StackOverflow code into their projects and just hoping it worked well enough. It seems to me LLM’s make it easier to write working but dangerous code (this article also seems to say this), and I’m not sure making dangerous code easier to produce is a good idea.

But whatever, again, I’m not a coder, I just wanted to push back a little on your extremely uncharitable reading of an article you don’t like.

Really? I got “if you don’t understand the code you’re producing, then that’s a real problem, not just for you but for software development as a whole”.

It’s pretty annoying to read the mailing list, I agree. There’s a very small hyperlink that says “next” that’s right below the message body. If you click that, you can read the next message in the chain. Keep doing that until you get to the end, and yeah, it looks like this was resolved and wasn’t actually malicious.

I’m going to try to be respectful and reasonable here. If I fail at that, I’m truly sorry, I’m really trying.

I think you and I want different things from the fediverse. I like that my instance (Hexbear) is widely defederated. It’s a lovely little refuge from the reactionary political opinions I can’t help but hear in my day to day life living in America.

I also can’t agree with you that political disagreements aren’t reason for defederation. To go for an extreme example first, being an avowed neo-nazi is a political choice, and I’d kick an avowed neo-nazi out of any space I had the power to kick them out of.

For other examples, we can look at things that have already happened in the fediverse, such as feddit .uk deciding that posting transphobia is actually fine and dandy, because the laws in the UK are such that transphobic speech is very much allowed, or we can look at the recent kerfuffle surrounding feddit .org, wherein feddit .org decided that due to laws in Germany, criticism of Israel can’t be as full-throated as it really should be. These examples are both cases where local politics affect how things are moderated, or, at least, local politics are being used as an excuse for moderation decisions. And I think these moderation decisions (allowing transphobia in the first case, censoring criticism of Israel in the second) are worth defederating over. If transphobia doesn’t get banned and removed on sight, then how can trans people feel safe and included in a space? And similarly, if Israel’s horrific genocide is downplayed in a space, that space becomes less friendly for Palestinians and other Arab and Muslim people.

I don’t need or want political plurality in this online space, I want a brief refuge from the terrible politics surrounding me. This isn’t me sticking my head in the sand to ignore the awful shit happening around me, I see all that, I talk to people who believe in the American status quo because believe it or not, most Americans aren’t communists. I love that here on this corner of Lemmy I can be openly communist and talk to other open communists about all kinds of things. It’s really nice, actually, and that would be lost if we were federated with the anti-communist shitholes like .world. Not to mention the transphobia. Holy shit, every time I accidentally end up outside my lovely little Lemmy bubble it’s just transphobia as far as the eye can see. So I’m glad we at Hexbear are widely defederated, I really don’t need to see the liberal nonsense and transphobia that are so inescapable in my real life.

You’ll find that it’s not possible for the US to completely pull out of supporting them with military aid.

Why not? The US has supported Israel since its formation, no arguments there, but so what? Why couldn’t that change?

Am I reading the article right? My understanding of what I just read is that in 2016 some social media accounts with ties to Russia put out some pro-Stein statements and then a year or two later Stein was photographed sitting at the same table as Putin.

Neither of those two facts suggest to me that she is, as you put it, “another Russian tool”. Especially since the article itself says that there’s no evidence she knew about the Russian social media accounts boosting her and there wasn’t an interpreter sitting at the table with her and Putin.

Can you please tell me what I’ve missed? Is there more evidence that she’s a “Russian tool”? Because the evidence in the article you linked seems extremely weak.

Ok, then try your comment again. What is it that you’re saying here?

This is deeply shitty. If you’re right that >80% of people on Lemmy are men (I’m not sure I buy that), then it’s even worse to assume everyone is a man. What you’re doing is chasing off the already extremely outnumbered non-men. If you want this place to be welcoming to people who aren’t men, then you need to change your behavior.

You did the right thing. It’s a lot of bullshit about “oh, you list your pronouns? You must be fine with corporations selling your data” and then at the end there seems to be a bit of “hexbear showed up late to the fediverse party and is ruining everything”, which is, of course, pretty much directly opposite of the truth.

Pathologic 2! It’s so good! And the next one is coming out next year so it’s a great time to become obsessed with Pathologic!

Sure, that’s extremely fair! Those qt dependencies are no joke! How do you feel about Evince (apparently now called gnome document viewer)? It seems to be the standard gtk pdf viewer, but I’ve never used it, so I actually don’t know what it’s features are like. It’s a heavier application than mupdf (of course), but at least you don’t need to install qt to use it!

When zathura (my beloved) isn’t feature-rich enough for my needs I usually turn to okular. Sure, it’s kde, so if you’re on a pure gnome system you’re going to have to install a bunch of dependencies, but if that’s not a problem for you, okular is quite good in my experience!

Oh shit, is this supposed to be a response to me asking about ranked choice voting? Assuming that’s the case:

That’s cool for Arizona. I hope it passes. But I don’t live in Arizona. Most americans don’t. What should those of us not in Arizona do to bring about ranked choice voting?