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If you’re not making with the example you insist exist I’m not even gonna read your posts as they’re a waste of time.

No I get it, you can’t prove your point. You don’t have to keep running around with dictionaries that don’t prove your point to impress me. It doesn’t change my view of you at all to know you’re wrong.

Are you still on this? You went in circles so I left.

Still no example, huh?

I’m happy for you …or sorry that happened.

That’s alot of words which notably are not an example of the adjective “illegal” being used as though it were a noun to describe a human being and it not being derogatory.

Come on, bill Clinton. You just gonna yap about what “is” is or you gonna prove your point? Make with the example.

The link you offered does not seem authoritative.
The example it proffered of:

“Sometimes I don’t always feel like jogging” doesn’t make any sense.

Makes perfect sense.

Are you going to keep litigating “Sometimes inherently means sometimes not” or are you going to provide an example of a non-pejorative use of referring to a human being as though they themself were illegal?

“Sometimes” is different than “Sometimes although not always”

That I why I had to use different words to type the two different concepts.
Your definition only listed the first, which does not inherently indicate the second.

The definition does not indicate it can be not derogatory—which makes sense because it’s derogatory.

You despite claiming sans evidence that it is possible to refer to a human being with a pejorative adjective and it be anything other than derogatory, won’t even back up your claim with a single non-derogatory example of its use.

I get why you won’t—'cause you can’t—but if you were right you’d think You could give an example rather than litigating the implied corollaries to “sometimes”.

You’re going to have to provide examples where sometimes means always.

I’m not the one making the claim here, you are.

If the claim that illegal is sometimes derogatory is true then the the claim illegal is always derogatory or never derogatory is false.

No it isn’t. Nothing about “sometimes” being true itself proves the corollary “always” is false.

Besides, you would think you could end this by giving the example to refuse to proffer of a non-derogatory use.

state your fucking position.

I already did, and I don’t feel you are arguing in good enough faith—having been willing to concede being trans “is sinful”—to address you in any deeper detail.

You jump on the name thing rather than seeing it as an outcrop of assigning sex and gender and then bitch about it in other threads using disingenuous descriptions that conflate the two but only address the later.

What do you do?

Concede being trans is sinful?

Oh wait no, that’s what you do.

“Okay. What do you think we should do instead?”

Stop doing that. Christ on a cracker.

If I told you “kicking puppies is wrong” would you demand ‘an alternative’ to do instead?
Don’t kick puppies.

HAVE NOT STATED AN ALTERNATIVE!

not doing that, Jesus.

Do you know what sometimes means?

If I said, “The sun sometimes rises in the east.” that is a true statement, but not evidence that it ever does otherwise and if I wanted to claim “…and sometimes it rises in the west.” I would still need to provide evidence other than stressing the “sometimes” in my first statement.

How can calling a person (and not actions) “illegal” be anything but derogatory?
Explain your west-rising sun, please.

You have yet to describe the times it is not.

I notice first off you’re conveniently ignoring how I have been referring to sex designations for the past several posts and instead exclusively focusing on my earlier statement about names.

Makes me doubt your faith, that.

I will broaden and ask why you think any imposition of a gender on a person who has not yet informed you what it is is laudable or appropriate, be that marker on a certificate or a gendered name?

What claim is unsubstantiated?

That there can be a non-derogatory utilization of the adjective illegal to refer to a person with as though the word were a countable noun.

All that has been done is to post a dictionary entry which agrees that when it is used as a noun it is a slur—behavior I would not expect from one who has endeavored excellence toward their fellows.

what. is. your. alternative.

Not shoving people into boxes we know aren’t accurate based on a 2 second glance at baby genitals.

Why is that even a thing you want to do?

lessen the impact of its existence

You mean like not assigning people to classes we know can be incorrect they then would have to change?

Are you describing ableism as an argument against the existence of privileged classes??