I don’t think I ever pitched a subscription as being better than ownership, just that your joke is divorced from the reality of the situation and the way Microsoft has operated for over a decade.

How is it divorced? You’re still spending money for the same things over and over again. Your argument is purely semantics" you’re not purchasing, you’re renting!" Like there is a difference… You are still giving Microsoft money to play old games.

If I changed my original comment to read ‘spending money’ instead of ‘purchasing’ would that make you feel better? Because this seems to be your only problem with it.

You are missing the distinction by several miles. A short list includes the lack of cert, the availability of competitors on the same platform, and backward compatibility whether they like it or not. If the value proposition is as poor as you expect it to be, then the launch of a portable Xbox will hardly be noticed next to the Steam Deck, but the more likely scenario is that it’s basically a Steam Deck that plays nicer with Game Pass and anti cheat technologies because it’s actually Windows under the hood. You’ve demonstrated a large lack of understanding about what’s changed between 6th gen consoles and today, but the short explanation is that I don’t see a reason to expect Microsoft to charge you for Halo again on this new platform, because it would be marketing suicide among plenty of other reasons.

Originally you brought this up to reinforce the idea that Microsoft consoles are transitioning to a PC with an xbox paint job. Which is what all consoles essentially are, but I got what you were trying to say that it’s a shared environment with a PC, which is somewhat relevant to the conversation… Kinda.

But now you are bringing up certificates, backwards compatibility, steam decks, anti cheat and other generations of consoles.

This entire section of your comment has nothing to do with my joke or the discussion so far, it’s a waste of time and nothing but a diversion. Can you get back to what we are actually talking about? I get it Microsoft rents not sells… You see that I get it right?

Way to ignore my entire comment lol. But thanks for proving my point that you’re a hurt fanboy by downvoting and quickly replying.

They really don’t care about you re-purchasing their old games because they want you to rent a library.

You get that’s worse right? You own nothing and now if you want to replay their old games you have to rent them again and again. It’s just another subscription… Yay Game Pass. Companies don’t decide to make less money just to give their customers more value, they are a business not a charity.

Besides once Microsoft has a stranglehold on the gaming market (If they ever get it) they will use the position of power to make as much money as possible. Like they did with operating systems or office suites (365). They even tried to buy out Nintendo recently, do you think they did that because they don’t want to re-sell their titles again? Why else try and build monopolies?

There seem to be a lot of people here who haven’t gotten the memo that future Xboxes are likely to just be disguised Windows PCs

What do you think consoles are? They are just a pc with proprietary software and hardware. Even a PS2 can run linux.

On an open platform, they couldn’t stop you from continuing to play your old games.

Yeah killing old servers would never happen.

Just make better jokes next time.

Said the fanboy.

Many of them are redundant because the same license gives access to the game on multiple platforms.

Oh so I have a free copy of Halo 1 or 2 on other platforms because I bought it back on the original Xbox… No, if I want to play it on modern platforms I’ll have to buy it again?

What about Halo 3 on the 360, do I get a free copy of it everywhere else… Again no… Shit.

I’m a Linux fanboy and don’t own a Series X.

Yet you immediately downvote all my comments like that means anything, and get wrapped up defending Microsoft from some random jokes online.

they don’t typically make you buy the same games over again.

I love the non-conformational language you use here “they don’t typically make you do something”. You cannot even state plainly that they don’t re-sell their shit over and over because even you know it’s not true.

I look forward to your immediate downvote and reply.

Halo has been released on Xbox, Windows, macOS, Xbox 360, Windows Phone, iOS, Xbox One, Arcade, Xbox Series X|S. Then there is the Master Chief Collection which resold the series all over again.

Microsoft will happily sell you the same thing over and over and over. But luckily for them they have fanboys like you ready to defend the multibillion dollar corporation from jokes like mine.

Every xbox has a version of Halo on it, why do you think this one would be different?

Games include Halo 1, Halo 2 and Halo 3. Enjoy the thrill of purchasing them all over again!

Something about the use of Lair makes them sound like a supervillain

So instead of spending 300 bucks for a decent mid tier phone replacement, plus accessories, spending 99 bucks is far more cost effecent.

This was your original argument and now you are claiming it’s turned to this.

Look, you’re missing the point entirely and deflecting with straw man arguments. My argument isn’t about specifically using an iPhone 4, but rather about the overall practicality and user experience

Even if older phones have better specs on paper, they still require additional accessories, setup, and often don’t provide the same seamless, optimized experience that retro handhelds do.

When a device as old as an iphone 4 can draw comparisons to your handhold, a newer used phone can be bought on the cheap that can easily exceed your handhelds performance and battery life (the device in the article can die in 2 hours from a full charge! Wtf). You are just attempting to pivot away from that point by overly focusing on the Iphone 4s performance which is hilarious, no one is paying $300 bucks to get a phone that can compete with your handheld; not even $99; And if they did pay $300 they are getting a phone that will smoke your shitty little handhelds performance. Additionally I finished paper mario on my old iPhone 4 and it was fine.

When your imaginary ‘poor man’ has to choose between a gaming device or a phone that can do everything the gaming device can do and is also a phone. They will choose the phone every time. You have made an absolutely retarded argument trying to claim this device is the smart financial choice, its a fun luxury and that’s being kind to it.

Strawman. Carrying an external controller and clip might be feasible for some, but it adds extra steps and hassle compared to simply using a dedicated retro handheld that is always ready to use. The ease of quickly starting a game on a dedicated device cannot be matched by the multi-step setup required for phone gaming with external controllers.

It is feasible, you’re just exacerbating the issue in order to make a point. Either way you are carrying around a device that allows for gaming. But by choosing your handheld you are carrying a device that struggles to compete with the phone sitting in your pocket. You have less games, they will run worse and your screen is small and low res… But you feel awkward carrying a controller aww, better sacrifice performance to not feel like a loser 😭.

Enjoy having a limited catalogue and paying for it.

Your claim that a cheap used phone is automatically better ignores these crucial advantages and the hassle of setting up and configuring emulators. So let’s stop cherry-picking details and face the facts: dedicated devices offer a streamlined, superior gaming experience.

Every emulator I have ever downloaded comes pre configured and if you don’t know how or don’t want to adjust settings you don’t have too, this is such a nothing point. Besides you are still downloading roms and having to transfer them to your device, when my phone ‘streamlines’ that experience by downloading the roms directly; no additional hardware required to access games.

Enjoy the hassle of not being able to update your game catalogue on the fly without resorting to using a computer or even your phone…

Not everyone wants to juggle a phone and extra peripherals for a subpar experience. The reason people spend money on these devices is for convenience, ease of use, and a superior, uninterrupted gaming experience that their phones can’t match. It’s about quality, not just capability.

Because juggling a phone and a gaming device is so different to a controller that connects to your phone in some way. Additionally, I’d argue that a small screen and tiny controls that cramp my hands are far from a superior gaming experience.

Uninterrupted experience haha! You know your phone has aeroplane mode right? Once again you paid money for a phone you don’t use… Bet you carry a camera around with you at all times for the same reason right? that uninterrupted photography experience can’t be matched, and it has a greater ease of use and capability! Do you also carry a music player/iPod at all times for the same reason?

Feel free to reply, I am not going to read what you have to say. You pivot from your own arguments, create problems that don’t exist, attempt to use your own insecurities as a selling point (people will look at me if i have a clip on-controller 😭) and you constantly ignore the fact that the average person already has a phone that can do everything this device can do and for free whilst claiming it’s the cheaper option.

I am going to go play god of war or FF12 at with upscaling, bigger screen, a solid frame rate and play with the controller it was actually designed to be played with.

(Btw you are totally going to reply, you can’t help yourself… dance puppet dance! 👏).

Lmao what? You’re interpreting this way differently than what I said. I mean sure, phones today are far more powerful than the Anbernic SP, but let’s see here.

Yes they are a lot more powerful and able to run more demanding emulators; They also run smoother.

If I put the two in my pocket (because the Anbernic SP is small en****ough to fit in a pocket just like a phone). If I want to game with my phone using some retro game, I have to get my phone, get that external controller from a bag (because there is no way in hell a controller can fit in a pocket, and even if you can, you look like a loser doing so), then finally attach that controller. You don’t see the problem here?

There are a lot of options for turning a phone into a gaming device, you can use the controller laying around your home, which is free. Or you can purchase a device that clips to your phone like a switch controller for the cost of one of these handhelds. There is no problem carrying a controller and clip in your bag, none. Just because you are worried you might look like a loser is your problem, it’s like you are trying to turn your personal fears into a selling point.

False equivalency fallacy. You are basically telling me that just because the iPhone theoretically has better specs means it can emulate N64 well, ignoring the emulation overhead. Not to mention I actually tried playing an N64 game on a jailbroken iPhone 4 decades ago only to find out the games are laggy.

Just because the iPhone from 14 years ago has better specs!? Are you seriously arguing that people should purchase one of these handhelds because it can compete with an iPhone 4. I think you are looking at the wrong aspect of my argument, you were selling this device as a cheap alternative to an expensive modern phone. But I am pointing out that plenty of older phones sell used for cheaper and can compete with (and in many cases out perform) handheld consoles… You get that right?

Also doubt you tested a N64 emulator on an iPhone 4 decades ago since the device isn’t that old. I think you just pulled that out of your ass to try and make a point lol.

No, it’s not a deal based on the math I did earlier. And good luck browsing the internet with that iPhone 4 of yours, lmfao

Again you missed my point and assumed I am arguing someone should use an iPhone 4 over one of these things. When an iPhone 4 can compete with your handheld a cheap/used modern phone can easily exceed it. Way to cherry pick a sentence from a paragraph and ignore context.

And so far, you aren’t bringing any aside from pulling the hasty generalization card by saying everything can be done by a phone.

It can be done by a phone for free… A point you fail to acknowledge over and over again. Everyone has a phone and they can all run emulators, so why would someone spend money on a device that can’t even compete with their phones? An answer you have failed to provide.

It’s pretty clear here that you are not asking what you’re missing with these retro handhelds’ popularity.

It was actually the question I asked in my very first comment, and I have yet to receive a convincing argument from you (unless you count feeling awkward using a controller with your phone as a convincing point).

It appears that you just came in here, already decided that retro handhelds are shit, and everything must be done via a phone. You started antagonizing everyone here and questioning their preferences (which is why you are ratioed so badly in this whole thread).

Asking why I should purchase one of these devices over using what I already have is a fair question, and being downvoted by fanboys who don’t like being challenged on their purchases means nothing. Downvotes don’t mean anything.

I will just say what others have said: you are not the intended audience of these devices.

Apparently asking questions is not something the intended audience does.

I just said, form factor. Anbernic rg35xxsp is the closest you can get to a Gameboy SP. Sure you could argue your Phone controller is far better but these GBA games where designed with the hardware and form factor they have in mind.

If you are using a device to run multiple emulators, arguing the form factor is better than a phone in a single instance (Gameboy SP) is backwards. It’s like you’re conceding that a phone is better in every other way; which it absolutely is.

Your old iPhone4 can play N64 fine? Show it. Prove it here that your iPhone 4 can play n64 games without frameskip. no stutters, no sound jittering. Heck start with Super Mario Kart, then Mario 64, then what the hell, lets add Starwars Rogue Squadron in there.

Because I am pretty much confident you are gonna have frameskips enabled just to even make the game playable.

An iPhone 4 from 2010 has 4 times the memory and twice the processing power required by an N64 emulator, it’s more than sufficient. keeping in mind your original point was the cost of a smartphone capable of running said emulators was beyond the cost of these handhelds… Which is just not true; especially when a device from 14 years ago can do it.

For the same money you can get a used smartphone from the last 10 years that runs all the games your rg35xxsp can and is also a phone. A person who has limited funds (your strawman) would be better off with a phone instead of these things.

Because 180 to 700 bucks SD card you are referring to is a top of the line SD card meant for more powerful devices like the SteamDeck. You can get cheaper ones for less and even then 1tb is just overkill for that.

Most phones have sufficient storage to carry all the games you need. But, when people argue the value of an SD card they talk about carrying all the games released on a console and to do that you need more than a 256gb card.

Also you are totally missing the point here. With a phone, your storage is shared not just for games but with everything else. From videos you downloaded for offline use on your Netflix/Primevideo/HBO/Disney+ bullshit down to your offline music from Spotify and Youtube Music.

And your seemingly forgetting phones have the internet, I can just download any game I want wherever I am. Rather than storing all of them all the time just in case you might want them.

How many games do you need at one time anyways, you clearly don’t want all of them because a large enough SD card to fit them is just overkill. But you aren’t satisfied with 100gb or so? So, what arbitrary amount have you decided you need to justify the addition of an SD card?

Seriously, how much storage is sufficient and why? (keeping in mind you can only play one game at a time)…

Also not to mention these devices have SD cards bundled already so you don’t really need to buy one unless you opted for more storage to store more games on the go.

And for the same cost I can get a used phone bundled with a camera, internet, console, sms, email and shit load more features. But you get a sd card, what a deal!

Pretty much everyone has a phone already that can do what this can, and your best argument for buying one of these things is the lack of an SD card. But in the same comment you also argue that a large SD card is overkill.

Nope. I don’t carry keys. A phone, a minimalist wallet, and mini handheld fit with plenty of room to spare.

So you have plenty of room, but simultaneously cannot fit a clip-controller in your pocket? I take it you don’t carry a back pack either, that would just be ridiculous lol.

Such a weird argument “If you don’t carry keys for some reason, you can instead fit a handheld console in your pocket” or you can just have a backpack or use one of these things (which also fits into your pocket and will allow you to turn your phone into a much better gaming device):

https://www.amazon.com.au/Razer-Kishi-Controller-Android-Passthrough/dp/B086X8DHN2/ref=lp_8134188051_1_12_mod_primary_new?pf_rd_p=d367c4db-0dd4-4f48-b46e-9e049ff40af9&pf_rd_r=AMBMY2XHFP4TZXJ3RRAY&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D

There are plenty of devices like this and combined with your phone you can now play a lot more games, at higher resolutions with upscaling to combat the lack of dithering and get better frame rates… Oh and it will fit in your pocket and will be able to connect to a new phone when you get one, its future proofed.

It still isn’t as cheap as using what you already own. Especially when what you are purchasing is essentially a downgrade.

Ok so you ignored half of what I said in my previous comment, just going to assume you are admitting you have no real argument when it comes to these points. But moving on…

it fully boots in 5 seconds, there is no bloat to speak of.

So does an app.

it holds PSX, N64, Dreamcast, SNES, GBA, GB and MAME games.

Not PS2/Xbox/GameCube era consoles/games… Why not?

And it didn’t cost me $100, I paid $50, an almost insignificant outlay.

Not including the cost of the sd card right. Meanwhile a phone you already own has $0 outlay and does more.

While certainly my ROG phone plus gamesir is enough to even emulate this gen’s handheld games. It cannot beat playing a gba game on an Anbernic rg35xxsp.

Could you give a reason?

Second is that some owns a low tier or a very old phone and they don’t want to throw it away because it still works perfectly fine.

My old iPhone 4 from 2010 could run n64 emulators just fine, low tier phones from the last 10 years can do pretty much everything this thing can do and a used one is definitely cheaper… Additionally if this strawman you have invented cannot afford a phone from the last 10 years they definitely cannot afford this thing.

Then there is that storage issue. Some newer phones today no longer have an sd card slot for expandable storage.

An SD card that can store all the PSP/N64/Dreamcast games would have to have more than 1tb of storage and cost anywhere from 180 to 700 bucks online… What world are you living in that this is a viable solution to the poor man who cannot afford a second hand phone.

What you are trying to argue here is that a niche luxury device is a solution to someone with limited income, and you are doing it with a straight face whilst arguing with someone that presents a cheaper/free option. Do you see an issue with that?

A d-pad with tactile buttons

What console controller doesn’t have that? Plus they tend to fit your hands. This thing looks like a portable hand cramp.

a non-android (or iOS) system that takes micro sd cards are pretty good reasons.

In what way does andriod or iOS limit your ability to run emulators? Micro SD cards are nice, but total over kill for some N64/Dreamcast roms.

Maybe for PSP games but only if you wanted all of them all the time, and that totals over 1.4 TB of storage, an SD card that can store all that is anywhere from double to 5 times the price of this handheld… What a great feature!

These retro handhelds are a self-contained package that can easily slip into a pocket.

Do you slip it into your pocket next to your phone?

And the functionality is very good. Not sure why you assume it isn’t.

Its functionality is fine, but your phone can do everything this thing can do and more for free since you already own it. The best argument people can make is about the controls which is such an easy problem to solve and often can be done with devices you already have; This $100 thing is an overly niche gimmick.

So you walk around with your keys, phone, wallet and a console in your pockets at all times… just carry a bag or a backpack.

If you really do carry all that shit with you i can imagine you look like this

Well, I have to either attach it to my phone with a clip of some kind (which makes for sometimes questionable ergonomics or for a very wobbly, insecure setup that makes me fear I’ll drop my phone) Or I have to put my phone down on something, which for the sort of thing I use devices like this for just isn’t doable.

Personally I never felt the use of a clip or some other mounting system was that bad or wobbly, i certainly don’t feel it’s so bad that I had to spend money on a device with limited functionality (or a downgrade) just to manage that problem. Seems like backwards thinking or a bad solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist.

Which is exactly the point I’m making. I want to split that battery life up between devices, so my phone is less likely to die on me. I can deal without a handheld game console but if my phone taps out it’s more of a problem.

Which leads to my point. Why did you spend so much money on a device with such functionality if you are worried about using it? For the cost of one of these handhelds you can buy multiple battery packs/portable chargers and actually use the expensive phone you carry around with you at all times.

Honestly if your phone dies that fast check your battery as it could be dying.

I asked why someone should buy one of these things instead of using what you already have, and every reason given was poorly thought out and was unable to explain or justify the purchase.

Seems like the target audience are idiots with spare cash, who are impressed by glowing analogue sticks and poor functionality.

The predecessor weighs more than a PS4 controller, costs more than a controller, doesn’t stay charged as long as either a phone or a controller, has a low resolution screen, less storage and it cannot run as many games/emulators as a modern phone.

But yes its money well spent and you dont have to carry about a controller which weighs around half of your hand hold… What a deal!

I’ll keep playing games for free with better graphics and a bigger library.

Some of us like to put our phones away or turn them off entirely during our leisure.

So you need to spend $99 on a hand hold because you dont like your phone? If it’s the notifications you hate put your device on aeroplane mode instead; just saved you some money.

Also, I don’t want touch screen controls when playing ps1 games.

What is wrong with connecting a PS4/5 controller?