• belit_deg@lemmy.world
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      Dude, I decided to make a personal note with lots of similar links regarding privacy, so that I can provide the source when I discuss these matters with people. But yours in much more thorough - and public. Thanks for saving me a ton of work!

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    It’s not the EU yet. It’s a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn’t even preliminary voting on it yet.
    Doesn’t mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

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      Your OS doesn’t, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.

      And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.

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        And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.

        Have you used the gambling addiction and honeypot comparisons?

        Or opium smoking in China one?

        If somebody makes a functioning NOSTR client similar to Telegram in experience - maybe that will be convenient enough.

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      And what do you think that means the moment your OS connects to, oh I don’t know, the rest of the fucking planet?

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    Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.

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    Ugh, this shit again…

    Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

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      Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they’ll say the same for the EU.

      Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don’t start blocking by phone number alone… and hopefully they’ll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.

      Also, welcome to Signal!

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      If you’re a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won’t.

      It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

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        Some keep trying. That’s how democracy and politics works in general.

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          Many people in the US thought “He won’t”

          So, call your representatives.

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            I agree that calling representatives can always be a good idea. But you cant compare the US and the EU.

            There is no “he”, there is no president. No single person can run nor ruin it.

            It’s simply not as fragile, but again, always let your voice be heard like you suggest. Just in case.

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          Yeah. “EU wants this, EU wants that” - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.

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            The EU also does not have a president like you know from countries. There is no supreme leder, and laws are made with every member state involved.

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      Let us know when it’s ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.

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        Too heavy and bloated, and too centralized in its design philosophy, not to mention big capital flowing through Matrix from Israel and the issues with metadata making it a privacy disaster.

        Here’s a blog that agrees with me so I don’t seem lazy: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

        I get your blogger’s concern over OMEMO versions being out of whack and their encryption choices being all over the place, but other than it being somewhat of a mess, I don’t see how it devalues the service as much as he thinks. (a bit melodramatic imo) I’ve yet to meet someome whos client can’t decode my messages or mine theirs and I’ve never heard of any successful hack, but maybe maybe.

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        I’d almost say lol, get a VPS in China.

        The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have zero say over what I do, only what they do. China could demand and scream and bitch all they want over an encrypted set of programs and you’d never have to care, move to another domain and provider and copy-paste. Lock it down, only use it with encryption and let the wolves huff and puff until they’re blue in the face.

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          It’s more about the latency since it’s right over the border (<30ms). It’s also a full 10Gbps so I can let family/friends use it and don’t have to worry if a few of them are pulling the full 1Gbps from home connection. Doubt I’m gonna be able to match both of those with a Chinese VPS :/

          Honestly looking at Mexican datacenters right now. Some are basically the same distance, just in the opposite direction lol

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            Mexico actually sounds kinda brilliant, but who seems important. OVH has servers in Mexico, but I can imagine some hosters would get the Feds on the line and go “sure, here’s his data”.

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              That’s true, ICE & Co. are also all over Mexico right now because of the cartels. The whole border lock down and immigrant round-up thing is only half of their current force. And one of the big things they’ve been doing down there is monitoring/tapping their communication networks.

              So yeah, never mind, probably not a good idea. If it was just for torrenting or something it’s probably fine, but beyond that I wouldn’t push it.