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      Isn’t the entire idea that the Gulf of Mexico is more descriptive than the gulf of America? Mexico only has one large gulf, and from a US perspective the gulf is in the direction of Mexico. The Americas have several «gulfs» so gulf of America makes no sense. Maybe Gulf of the USA? But again in terms of a description that makes far less sense.

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        I’m not sure Trump even knows there’s an area called “the Americas.”

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      Also leftists who refused to vote at all because Harris didn’t solve the Middle East conflicts from the Vice President’s desk.

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        Wait wait wait… So you’re saying the vice president isn’t the same as the queen and can’t just do whatever she wants?

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        There aren’t as many leftists in America as there are liberals who voted in 2020 but not in 2024.

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        I voted for Harris, because I believe in trying to be practical and try to reduce harm, but I also won’t even think of speaking ill of those who refused to endorse genocide just because the other guy might do genocide without the pathetic finger-wagging the Biden administration did as they handed over more and more and more bombs. It was a hard choice, and I chose pragmatics and harm reduction, but I also know that some fucking dweeb in the DNC is going to read that number as an endorsement signal for the platform of “genocide is okay as long as we tut at them while we hand them bombs”.

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            And? Do you think Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken saved even one drop of blood by giving Nettanyahu very stern disapproving looks as they handed him more and more bombs? If Biden tacitly approved of the genocide in Gaza, do you think there’d be a meaningful distinction between what things look like now?

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              No, but they probably did by not explicitly telling them to finish the job and giving them free reign to destroy every Palestinian.

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                Do you really believe that? Nettanyahu has showed at every turn that he respects Biden about as much as some dog shit he stepped in. The Biden administration got rug pulled on peace/ceasefire talks by Israel, what, five times that we know of? And they just kept coming back, like Charlie Brown, convinced they surely wouldn’t yank the football away this time. I think that Nettanyahu doesn’t even consider Biden at all.

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                  I think the distinction here is a Harris presidency would at least pretend to if not actually put effort toward resolving the conflict with less bloodshed because some of the Democrat base wants that, even if it’s only symbolic and maintains the status quo and of Israel as a “strategic partner/asset”. Blinken was just on NPR explaining where their efforts have been directed (surrounded by non-answers, take it as you will), not taking into account how effective they were. We can fully expect a Trump admin to encourage Bibi’s efforts at rejecting a two-state solution or any kind of Palestinian sovereignty, and make it even harder to end the conflict in the future because Bibi wants to drag out the suffering as long as possible because that’s a key reason he’s in power. This is how I interpret it, and I believe any kind of equivalency between the two is overly cynical, which you can feel free to disagree with. If Trump’s admin somehow has a part in ending the conflict, I’d be surprised if any Palestinians make it out on the other side, and they’ll tout that as a win.

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                  Yes. Trump, during his previous term, moved the US Israel embassy to Jerusalem, which implies Israel owns it, rather than the shared control its supposed to have. That’s just one example of how Trump had already moved the US towards full support of Israel’s goals over Palestine.

                  Do I think Biden or Harris would stop them? No. Do I think Trump is going to do everything he can to empower them? Yes. He’s already done some of this and I’m sure it will continue now, as he’s indicated it would. You’d really have to shive your head in the sand to not see it coming.

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          Cool now what trump does or doesn’t do well be on them. And now they can look back at all the violence in Gaza under trump and saynorodulyni did that. I’m responsible for it and feel good about themselves.

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            I disagree that it’s on them. This and '16 should have been easy elections. Instead of running their best and brightest against a man they’ve framed as an existential threat to the state, they decided it was a good opportunity to push (and don’t you fucking tell me they don’t have a thumb on the scales in the primaries) the most unelectable candidates in living memory. I think Kamala could have won, but as I recall it, a lot of the excitement around her began to fizzle out around the time it became clear that she endorsed such exciting policies as addressing climate change with more fracking, shrugging helplessly as we hand Nettanyahu more bombs, making some minor adjustments to healthcare, and offering some tax rebates to people who want to start businesses.

            People are fucking drowning. They know shit’s broke and we’re in desperate need of change. The democrats misread the room and decided both in '16 and '24 that not really trying to do anything meaningful was fine, since what are voters going to do, vote for that guy? And now they’ve got the gall to blame the voters, which I guess just means that in 2027, we’re going to have cyberTrump vs Hillary Clinton (it’s really her turn this time you guys). When you start blaming and finger wagging the voters, that’s always a recipe for success. It’s cool, learn nothing, change nothing, just shuffle a little more to the right, tell us with words and not actions that cyberTrump is an existential threat, and everything will definitely work out this time.

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              Oh shit, just gave me the best idea. Let’s start the conspiracy that Trump is Hillary’s puppet.

              I’ll get us started:

              *Bill Clinton used Epstein to drum up compromat on all his political rivals

              *Trump was put in place to dismantle democracy so that when Hillary took power her power would be absolute

              *Trump was a Democrat most his life

              *Trump is a NYC elite

              *The true Republicans like Dick Cheney, Jon McCain and Mitch McConnel oppose him

              I’m sure we could drum up some policies he has and tease them out to be actually liberal policies

              Let me know if anyone else wants to spur on some MAGA infighting

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                Good luck, man. Trump could pardon Hillary and his base wouldn’t give one shit. Sure, you’d get the “WOAH REPUBLICAN VOTERS FELL FOR IT AGAIN, LOOK AT THEM BEING UPSET ON TWITTER” articles and Twitter screenshots and shit, but outside those, like, six people, nobody’s going to really care. These folks voted for a dictator to come in and magically make everything better (for them specifically, fuck everyone else), there’s nothing, and I mean nothing, that can break the cult fever dream around him. Trump could literally institute unironic communism (which would be the funniest thing ever) and they’d go right along with it.

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      The economy was predicted to do worse under Trump, as was/is inflation and housing prices.

      What absolute fucking dumbasses voted for this guy for economic reasons?

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      Love how these commenters are all offended by a thing that will never get off the ground, or be heard again.

      Y’all were around for the first time, right?

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    Damn. Boomer politicians scraping the bottom of the barrel so hard now we’re stealing from China’s playbook? “It’s not Cuba, it’s American Taipei.”

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    But Mexico has 63 more miles of coastline on the Gulf than the USA does. We should just leave it alone.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if this was inspired to circumvent the new ban on oil drilling Biden just enacted. “We’re drilling in the Gulf of America, not the Gulf of Mexico.”

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    Actual, literal toddlers are really taking over the US, aren’t they?

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    President Musk will be livid that his suggestion to call it ‘Gulf of X’ was shot down.

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    Let’s not forget, conservatives, CEOs and all that bunch operate with methods of a parlor magician. The louder they jingle the keys in one hand, the more we should be paying attention to what they are doing with the other.

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    Invade Mexico, invade greenland, rename the gulf… hello… he’s bonkers, what the fuck are we doing letting this shit back in power…

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      Well, you see. We let those willfully ignorant fucks in the bible belt vote for some reason.

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          I low key wonder if that’s the Republican plan. Just 25th amendment him and let Vance takeover. Vance pardons Trump who goes on Fox News weekly to yell about Mexicans or whatever.

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      They’ll 25th amendment him throw Vance in and we’ll be a fascist oligarchy before March Madness.

      Not that we’re miles away now.

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        Yeah, that’s what I’ve been thinking since his speech. I’m thinking the people he’s surrounded with are encouraging his non-sensical ramblings so they can replace him with Vance, who is a Thiel/billionaire puppet, and likely more predictable and reliable than Trump.

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      You are radicalizing your former allies and neighbors, that is what you are doing.

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          You said we, this is a normal response that isn’t super accusatory or aggressive. It just sounds it because you’re interpreting it as directed towards you the individual, but it’s for “you all,” which is the standard way to respond to a comment in the first person plural

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            Thanks, that was the spirit in which the reply was intended. He asked, I answered. Grammar is a motherfucker.

            I’m not advocating for radicalization. I’m saying they are predictable consequences.

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            In my original comment, I specify. He’s bonkers is referring to Trump, the actor of those referred to actions.

            In your reply, you state ‘YOU’, as if the people against this / and? the people pushing it are responsible for that radicalization, and I take no responsibility for that shitstain’s actions against our allies.

            You could have easily been more clear by stating ‘conservatives’ or Trump supporters or - if you meant a blanket indictment - you idiots who didn’t punish the insurrection / pay taxes to a corrupt system of governing etc., hence my dismissal of your reply.

            Vague aspersions cast without insight generally get that response.

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              Thanks for taking the time to re-reply, even after your initial zinger got modded away just to demonstrate to the people that even when the average American says WE, they just mean… ME.

              Not much I can do to make my point more clearly than that.

              chefs kiss

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              I wasn’t the person who originally answered you, just someone who saw you lash out at someone and understood why. You said this (emphasis mine):

              Invade Mexico, invade greenland, rename the gulf… hello… he’s bonkers, what the fuck are we doing letting this shit back in power

              And someone answered your question in the way that makes sense (second person plural). It’s not an aspersion, it’s literally just stating the consequences of us electing trump (we as a country did, regardless of whether you or I voted for him).

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    Can we pleast waste the next 4 years renaming things and get nothing practical done? That sounds like perfectly good mud to spin the tires in.

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    Hey look, another 4 years of Republicans not doing anything of value for the American people.

    Meanwhile, Democrats just banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports.

    The differences between parties couldn’t be more obvious and Americans were still stupid enough to elect the do-nothing party. That’s how I know this country is barreling down a path to collapse. It’s not Trump. It’s not even Republicans. It’s braindead stupid Americans.

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      Americans were still stupid enough to elect the do-nothing party.

      Yeah disinformation and social media slop has diminished the little confidence I had that America could turn it around. It’s over and we are simply running out the clock, imo. Even if we are able to slice off the Republican fascist hydra head the climate change head will have grown too powerful at that point and devour us all

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        Yeah. I mean I try not to be the guy standing on the corner with the “THE END IS NEAR” sign, but the writing is on the wall here. History has shown us that if a populace doesn’t work hard to maintain a democracy, it loses it to the forces working against it. And our society simply can’t responsibly handle the threat of internet propaganda and radicalism. There will never be a more stark election than what we just experienced and we still failed the test. If we’re failing the easiest, most obvious tests we could possibly be given, we don’t stand a chance.

        It’s not going to be some cataclysmic collapse and downfall. It’s going to be slow and steady and extremely despressing.

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          I try not to be the guy standing on the corner with the “THE END IS NEAR” sign

          Same. At this point I’m exhausted though. I don’t see a way through and people have proven themselves far too stupid and susceptible to misinformation for there to be a way. A few people I know whom I used to think were fairly smart have even fallen prey to some clearly wrong misinformation on something as simple as birth control and have actively shown distrust toward multiple medical professionals. Simply no energy left to fight against the tide of stupification. We’re cooked

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            A few people I know whom I used to think were fairly smart have even fallen prey to some clearly wrong misinformation

            This is probably the most depressing aspect of it all to me. Finding out that people who I thought were intelligent and good are actually anti-intellectual and amoral.

            You know when you have a society rebelling against vaccines, one of the greatest things to ever happen to humanity, that you’re witnessing a downward spiral.

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          But God forbid you call it depressing and ruin someone else’s high on the way down.

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      Damn, my medical debt that is currently affecting my score must have not gotten the memo.

      Edit: Holy fucking shit you’re right, PLEASE GOD LET THIS FUCKING LEGISLATION STICK! DO ONE THING!

      Another edit: Can the Trump administration kill this on day one?

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        Yeah. It’s a big deal.

        “BUT DEMOCRATS DON’T DO ANYTHING!!!”

        Honestly, I’m not sure how possible it is for Trump to undo this. I haven’t looked deep enough into it. I read something about Biden doing what he could to make it hard for it to be undone. There’s so many nuances to our legislative system and the powers that the president has that it’s hard to tell how safe this from Republican fuckery.

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          From what I’ve read, Trump actually can kill this on day one. Whether or not he does is a different story, he’s taken a populist slide lately and I don’t think his supporters would be too happy with him undoing it.

          Who knows though; unprecedented times.

          Also, there has already been a lawsuit filed against the Biden administration for this rule. Fucking god damn it

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      This is the best case scenario, relying on their utter incompetence, although the will pillage state funds

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      to be fair any folk from any country would elect the dumb but good at talking dude before the smart bad debater woman. That is a well known problem about democracy

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    Guarantee the house and senate are going to be full of this kind of shit to the exclusion of anything even remotely useful

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      Can only hope this is the case. If they’re not being useful, chances are they’re not being genuinely destructive either

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        And it’s an omnibus law that also bans abortion, with meaningless exceptions for rape, but only if the perpetrator is sentenced before the first trimester; or life threatening conditions, but only if the mother is actively dying. And if you vote no on that, you’ll be smeared forever as the traitor of America.

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    The reason Trump is doing this is so that we are not focusing on the rift in the party over H1B visas.

    Where the fuck are the Democrats hitting the issue while it’s hot with 3 interviews a day agreeing with the average Republican over Trump and Musk?

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      Ignoring everyone. Then when it’s election season again, they’ll act like you’re a Russian troll who just started talking to spread division.

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      where the fuck are the democrats?

      Pointing fingers at each other and drifting further to the right, probably.

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    What an utter fucking buffoon. This man shouldn’t be trusted to use a fork without protective eyewear let alone run a god damn country.

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    Mexican here. This is happening as much as “the wall” happened. Don’t let him distract you from the H1B issue.

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      The unfortunate thing is that “the wall” kinda did happen. Really shittily, but even Biden continued building it and Kamala ran on continuing to build it. The idea itself is really stupid sure, it’s ineffective and ass. But there do be a wall getting built to this day.

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        It’s not about doing the things it’s about the optics of saying you’ll do them. The wall isn’t done and never will be. Even if it was it would never deliver what was promised.

        Its all about optics and it’s why Trump sabotaged the immigration reform bill. It would show democrats are capable of actually executing/delivering in a way he can’t.

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          And on that front, trump was super successful. He was so successful that the Democrats full ass abandoned hispanic folk and immigrants in general and fully adopted Fascist Trump Immigration policy. In terms of optics, Trump won so hard the Dems tried to be like WE ARE JUST LIKE TRUMP BUT EFFECTIVE.

          The dems would rather chase racist white “”“”“moderates”“”“” than any person of color. Even their POC’s cant help but beg for that racist white moderate because they crossed that wealth line that made them forget what they are to those folk. Trump won the optic war because Dems surrendered as soon as they physically could.

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          Was it the important part? Really? Sounds like your so stuck on the silly part you missed the clusterfuck

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      the people concerned dont care about the real result, they are just are happy to have a nationalist president

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      This is why fascism works. This will happen. Trump is incompetent and idiotic but he’s got a government worth of yes men and people scared of losing their jobs or otherwise motivated to just pass his insane “presidential” bullshit through the pipelines created by liberals in more peaceful times.

      He doesn’t need to know how to do anything, but now that he’s in power a handful of his batshit insane things he proposed still get pushed through the system by people who know how to do it who’ve been drolly passing similar but more sane legislation across their desk for decades.