Whenever barrier to entry is discussed for lemmy, and reducing confusion for different servers is brought up, all of the isolationist comments come out of the woodwork.
Apparently redditors who are too dumb to register should stay on reddit?
We have a platform that seems to be working and slowly growing. Shouldnt we want good defaults in place to give the best possible experience with minimal user effort?
I support it because I want more people to talk about shows with
Okay so how is there no nerdy subs for stuff like this?
There isn’t that few of us, I think we just keep getting drowned in politics.
There’s a Doctor Who community, but it’s not very active
Yeah… the only thing that gives me hope is the Simpsons shit posting sub, it’s just a little less active than the Reddit equivalent. I guess being a Simpson fan made you more likely to migrate.
This is probably in response to the thread here.
I know I said something that may be taken this way, and I stand by it so I’ll repeat it here:
There was something in retail I learned. There are people who will come in on sale days, and they will demand perfect customer service, and demand the lowest prices, and ask for more sales and bring coupons, all while talking about how they spend so much money there and that they’re so loyal. Then they’ll leave and you’ll never see them again
You can spend time and effort with them, the ones who only care about the cheapest place, or you can spend time with the customers who are actually there regularly. The ones who get to know your names, who are loyal, or enjoy a sale sure but also will be there even when there isn’t one.
I don’t want to attract users simply because reddit bad, and cater our experience for people who can’t bother to learn just the basic tenant of the fediverse. I want to cater our experiences for those who are here daily, and the ones who are genuinely interested. It’s the longer slower approach, but we’ll stay more true to our goals
I’m not afraid of saying that yes, that is my opinion. I’ve helped a lot of people migrate here away from Reddit, and I also hold the opinion that sign up is a bit daunting for users - but it’s not impossible and it’s gotten much easier than it was even just a few years ago.
What I see more often from people dipping their toes into the fediverse is constant complaining and whining. I’ve been through… 5-6 waves of new reddimigrants, and each time there are a quiet majority who pick up the fediverse and start running with it, and I’ve chatted with a good many of them. However, there’s also a major chunk of people who immediately start complaining. There isn’t feature parity, it’s more confusing, it’s less stable, why can’t it do video - all of which have been answered a thousand times and are constantly improving.
To me it’s exactly like the people shopping for sales. They come in, demand the absolute best service, complain that their niche communities aren’t thriving, and refuse to even stick around for a week to see what it’s like. If they aren’t willing to even do the bare minimum of finding out “What is an instance?” then they’re not going to stick around when we tell them that none of us can afford to host video, or that we will never have stability like Reddit, or this, or that. So I say let them leave. We came here to the fediverse because we want to build something different, and we know there are shortcomings that come with it.
If people want to join earnestly and help us build something here, curate small communities that we can be proud of, then I welcome them with open arms. If they can’t even bother to read the first two sentences on the joinlemmy page, well, you make your own success there.
Ever since I read this blog post, The Indie Web for Everyone, I can’t stop thinking about this quote when thinking about fediverse:
It’s like everyone has spent the last few years in a giant all-inclusive resort, screaming at each other for attention at the buffet. Now we’re moving into nice little bed-and-breakfast places, but we’re complaining because it takes slightly more effort to book a room, and the free WIFI isn’t as fast. Maybe its time to rethink some of these expectations. Maybe we need some of that early internet vibe back and be ok with smaller, closer communities. Maybe we can even get some of the fun back and start exploring again, instead of expecting everything to be automatically delivered to us in real time.
I think you are right, as much as fediverse is an alternative to the current social media, by its design it requires a completely different culture than how the general public has became used to interacting with the web - as a commodity.
I’ll never understand people who knowingly come to a currently bare-bones community (said with love!) and then complain that it’s bare-bones, and not bother to engage and help it grow.
Like no shit it’s nowhere near as huge as Reddit. Guess how content and engagement happen? By posting content and engaging! Ugh. /rant
Currently, it seems most Lemmy users are very technically inclined, there are a lot of software devs and sysadmins. I certainly don’t mind that, but I would love to see a more diverse demographic. I do feel like some people here seem to think that technical knowledge strongly correlates with the ability to have intelligent discussions, which I don’t.
Token math/systems-illiterate humanities person here, glad to be of service.
I can talk to computers but not people, we need all kinds here 🥳
My comments in other threads are not intended to be isolationist, and when I reas others I fear you misconstrue many.
We are not saying “let them stay on Reddit and other corporate media”. We are saying “teach them, preach the benefit, and when they want to come, and are ready to come, they will.”
That is how you nurture a growing community, vs “make line go up.”
In reality we should.
To many in lemmy are to happy to stay in their special little corner.
Its just confusing to me because lemmy is made to give anyone their preferred corner.
Asking for low barrier to the largest instances (entry points for new users) seems like a different ask than for professional lemmings to give up their platform.
The more we can do to move people to the fediverse, thereby reducing corporate control, the better.
Who’s “we”? I don’t run a lemmy instance. I’m not against new users. I’m also not opposed to a lot of hard work and money going into making the experience better, but since I’m not providing either - who’s “we”?
Lemmy.world users, and maybe other instances.
Its not about demanding new features from people who volunteer their time and money, its about the community being understood and maybe having some consesus about what we’d like to see because i do imagine the people who manage this instance care about what users want.
And its nice to talk about these things directly instead of having people speaking for the instance in a hundred conflicting ways in random posts.
Broader adoption of lemmy ensures more longevity, and likely better, more diverse development. Ignore the haters. Everyone was new here at some point and the last thing we should do is pull up the ladder behind us.
Change is good. Change is life. People who oppose change for its own sake are in favor of stagnation.
In my opinion, everyone who is like “we only want more people who understand the fediverse” are stupid.
How are people supposed to learn and understand the fediverse if they don’t try it?
The more people we get off of corporate bullshit, the better.
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Everyone who is like “we only want more people who understand the fediverse”
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