• oldGregg@lemm.ee
    1987·
    1 year ago

    Lemmy before i installed connect:

    us politics us politics us politics

    Lemmy after i filtered politics using connect:

    Comments bitching about there being politics…

    Cant win

      • Dudewitbow@lemmy.ml
        392·
        1 year ago

        Its not neccesarily obsessive, its just those happened to be communiies commoted tonleaving the other site, ao it visually appears to be the mainstream thought.

        Linux is one of the larger communties who made the jump (in general tech people are more prone to caring about privacy and control, as tech communities in general are some of the largest here on lemmy)

        Heck one of the largest communities is piracy discussion.

      • Iron Lynx@lemmy.world
        393·
        1 year ago

        Not entirely correct.

        It’s obsessive hatred of car dependency. It’s not that surprisingly many of us hate cars, it’s that surprisingly many of us hate that you necessarily need a car to do anything outside of the house.

        • MrLuemasG@lemmy.world
          102·
          1 year ago

          Nooo, I ended up having to filter the fuckcars community because they were angry at ANYBODY that uses a car for any reason - like top voted comments and posts. I saw somebody get jumped by multiple responders for bringing up how there are small towns and people that live hours away from large cities that would still need cars for transportation

          Like, I’m as much for improving public transit and reducing the amount of cars on the road in every instance where it’s viable. I specifically moved within 10 miles of my job so I could start riding my bike to work instead of driving my hybrid car. It’s not that I’m pro car, I’m just anti-extremist

          • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
            91·
            1 year ago

            I’ve gotten into it with a couple of guys for needing a truck. I’m a construction electrician. That means that in addition to lugging my tools around, I have to transport rather large and heavy pieces of equipment/gear on occasion. I’d happily rock a van, but it’s hell trying to find a 4x4 van (snow) at a reasonable price due to the van life crowd. I’ve had guys say use public transport or car share, like dude, I work 6 days a week, that isn’t viable. It’s a completely one sided conversation with them.

            • MrLuemasG@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              My favorite response was somebody saying small towns in America should still have infrastructure and trains to connect them (which I agree with in theory) because every small town in the UK has them without even realizing there are small towns in the US that could fit the entirety of the UK between them and the nearest other town or city.

              • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
                2·
                1 year ago

                Lol nevermind that many of those towns/villages in the UK are centuries old, while many of the smaller towns (especially out west) sprang up specifically because of the national highway system, and also many have died with the introduction of the interstate highway system. I’m all for improving our national rail lines, but it would need to be implemented carefully to ensure that no more smaller towns die out due to lack of service. And to your last point, this is where specifically a high speed rail system would excel, if only just to efficiently cover the vast distances between US towns.

        • letsgocrazy@lemm.ee
          42·
          1 year ago

          Nah man, there’s some crazy fucking Fuck Cars peoples who don’t even think parents of severely mentally disabled children should have a car.

          There’s always absolute extremists, and they are never fucking silent.

        • Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works
          22·
          1 year ago

          See the issue here is that a lot of these Reddit activists, they start out with a good cause that a lot of people could be sympathetic towards but they end up taking it too far because they’re all terminally online extremists.

          Here’s a few examples:

          Veganism: A lot of people are on board with treating animals better and eating more plants, but Redditors take it too far by advocating for the complete ban of meat and the prosecution of places like homeless shelters for providing turkeys on thanksgiving because that’s genocide to them.

          Cars: A lot people would agree that we should decrease dependency on cars because they’re loud, they pollute, and they’re dangerous, but Redditors take it too far by wanting to ban all cars with no exceptions even if the exception is for parents with disabled kids.

          Atheism: A lot of people would consider the possibility of there being no God and that religions deserve criticism, but Redditors take it too far by wanting to force all religious people to convert to atheism… or else.

          Work reform: A lot of people support the idea of having stronger work protections and better wages, but Redditors take it too far by either by being full blown tankies or by rejecting the idea of work all together, regardless of how delusional and impractical that is.

          Feminism: Most people believe that women should have equal rights and treatment in society, but Redditors take it too far by being full blown misandrists who want to oppress all men and “liberate” women from them.

          Not to mention how with every one of these types of communities you always have the classic “you’re either with us or against us” mentality. Every disagreement makes a you a nazi/altright/bigot, their cause is totally comparable to the struggle against nazi Germany and the holocaust, and they are totally the good guys who have the total support of the general public (especially the young people) and that they’re just a minor enemy (read: cartoon villain) away from achieving utopia.

          The communities on here are just an extension of those, and they bring with them the same type of toxic idiots to this platform.

          • Iron Lynx@lemmy.world
            22·
            1 year ago

            For one, if something is described as “carbrained,” the subject is discounting, ignoring or outright rejecting alternatives to driving. A carbrained take would not necessarily be one that prefers cars. A carbrained take would include things like:

            • “the only way to make more room for people to move from A to B is by adding more lanes to highways!” (a concept that’s proven to only make traffic worse)
            • “This cycling lane is not being used. Let’s remove it!” (Which may be a fallacy based on the fact that cyclists move more freely in seemingly confined space, or the fact that the specific cycling lane in question may be an isolated lane with no origins and destinations on it)
            • “What? A bus lane? What a waste of space! Let me drive there!” (where the speaker fails to see that one bus easily holds four dozen people, which would mean four dozen cars not on the road, if & only if that bus is not affected by road traffic.
            • “We’re wasting money on this high speed railway line between these two cities about 500 km apart!” (failing to see that distances between about 300 to about 800 km are the sweet spot where high speed rail is exactly in that sweet spot of distance where it’s faster than both driving and flying.)

            For two, the car lobby is already great at needlessly extending commutes. When the Katy Freeway near Houston was expanded to its current width of 26 lanes, the widest in the world, travel times changed from end to end from just around three quarters of an hour, to more than a whole hour. An increase of about a third. I could go on and on about this, but let’s just say that it takes a lot more to make trains work worse, and generally, if you try to ameliorate transit service by expanding it, that makes transit better for everyone, including car drivers, unlike if you expand highways.

            The thing of the anti car dependency movement is that they demand more developments to not to have to drive. They demand more space be dedicated to more sustainable developments, with less parking, uses closer together, more room for people out on foot or bikes to get where they want to go, all that jazz.

            Ultimately, the anti car dependency movement wants freedom. The freedom not to have to drive if you don’t want to, don’t need to, or for any reason cannot. And that is what carbrained people are not getting.

      • Reunite2987@rqd2.net
        211·
        1 year ago

        linux users are of course the first to move to something like this, and the /r/fuckcars community is as well now a bit. also let’s be honest, fuck cars. and fuck windows.

        • Mr_Blott@feddit.uk
          153·
          1 year ago

          I’m very tech savvy for an old un, and I’m perfectly happy using Windows; it’s easy to configure to do exactly as you want, and maybe it’s an EU thing but I’m not seeing any ads

          What pisses us off is whenever there’s a question about Windows, multiple Linux kids will flood the thread with “tHiS doESn’t hAPpEn iN LiNuX”

          If someone asked why their headlights weren’t working on their 2014 VW Golf, and someone answered, “Well I have a 2009 Ford Focus and this doesn’t happen”, you’d think they were a fuckin idiot, wouldn’t you?

          • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
            71·
            1 year ago

            If the VW Golf had a complete monopoly on the car market to the point where you had to spend years jumping through hoops just to be able to drive your Focus on the roads, despite the Golf being an extremely shitty car when taken on its own merits, you’d probably be pretty resentful to the people who enable that monopoly, too.

          • stankmut@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            1 year ago

            The ads thing is because you probably have a different idea of what an ad is then they do. Usually when they are talking about ads, it’s self-promotional stuff. Teams being built in, Onedrive asking to be setup, and especially Edge constantly begging you to give it a chance.

            There’s also that link to the Microsoft store for Candy Crush in the start menu of fresh installs of Windows 10. I imagine that’s what kicked off the whole ‘loaded with ads’ thing. That’s one anyone can agree on.

            • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              No, it sounds like people who are constantly being told that Linux is “too hard to use” compared to Windows speaking up when they see a blatant example of that not being true.

              • Letstakealook@lemm.ee
                2·
                1 year ago

                I think you just inadvertently called them morons, lol. In any case, I used Linux exclusively for about five years. It is more difficult for most users than windows. The majority of the time, with windows, you just plug shit in and it will work for you. On Linux, it requires you to research what MAY work for your hardware. Often times, if it does work, you are missing features for your hardware. For software, you generally have to look up programs that will do what you’d like, as most mainstream programs aren’t released for function with Linux. Additionally, most users are not familiar with our comfortable enough with using command line interfaces. You must be able to use command line as a Linux user. I haven’t used Linux in approximately a decade, so some things might have changed, but people won’t know that because the issues I pointed out were true for a long time. Most people aren’t savvy enough to use Linux and they don’t have the time/patience to learn it. Why this makes Linux users upset, I’ll never know, it’s all rather silly and unimportant.

            • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
              1·
              1 year ago

              Lol Amazon comments are a league of their own. Half the questions are:
              Q) Does product do thing?
              A) I don’t know

          • WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.comEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            It’s not an EU thing. As an American, the small popups that show EVERY NOW AND THEN are not that big of a deal. I use windows for work, mac for personal, and Linux for other things like my server and hobby projects. Linux has regularly given me the most trouble.

      • Olympus@feddit.uk
        103·
        1 year ago

        As a European, car loving Windows users I don’t think I’m accepted here tbh

    • Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Having never blocked any of these things… I get a mix of both. Along with the new latest internet drama, a few memes that may or may not apply to me, and some occasional lovely asses and boobs.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      45·
      1 year ago

      Welcome to the corporately controlled internet where marketing firms, public relations agencies and communications firms constantly try to manipulate the public discourse.

      If you use filters … you can actually hear and read what people want to talk about.

      • TommySalami@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 year ago

        Well, you can definitely narrow it down to what you want to read and talk about. I’m interested in doing that with politics (US), and I’m very far away from any kind of PR or marketing person. People can genuinely want to talk politics, it’s not always a corporate conspiracy.

        • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          The best kind of marketing is the type you are completely unaware of.

          The world runs on money … money is made by convincing people to give it to you … our modern world is built on convincing people … but people don’t like being convinced … so you have to convince them without letting them know they’ve been convinced.

          It’s not a corporate conspiracy … it’s just business.

  • drathvedro@lemm.ee
    6314·
    1 year ago

    I’m fine with USA politics, because they got their hands up in everyone’s asses so it affects everyone.

    What bothers me more is American football. Nobody except them even plays this game but it’s all over the news every time there’s a major event. Same for baseball.

  • saumanahaii@lemm.ee
    492·
    1 year ago

    I can’t wait for Lemmy to get big enough that I can unsub from all the big Lemmies. On Reddit I had a bunch of niche communities that were pretty nice and not political. Now all those spammers I avoided have come here too and the Lemmies aren’t big enough to avoid them yet.

    • letsgocrazy@lemm.ee
      2612·
      1 year ago

      The annoying thing is these people never see themselves as the insufferable bores always taking about local politics.

      It’s always really important.

      It’s always that you’re a nazi if you don’t agree.

      It’s just modern born-again Christians, who aren’t knocking on your door, they’re posting in your social Media.

      • CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
        1016·
        1 year ago

        Well, when you realize that most of the radical communists on here truly believe that there must be an eternal struggle working towards communism but never actually achieving the goal, it makes sense why they are the way they are.

        Literally had one of them tell me that is beyond unrealistic to expect any state to be able to even implement Socialism to any real degree. Of course, in Marxism a Socialist state must exist before withering away as Communism is fully realized, so they will literally admit that their philosophy is impossible to achieve.

        They fetishize the struggle; they don’t actually want progress, they want to complain.

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          71·
          1 year ago

          Why do you find it shocking that someone wants their political goals to be achieved but is also realistic with themselves that they may never see them accomplished?

          • CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
            11·
            1 year ago

            If you accept that your goals cannot be accomplished, why maintain them as goals? If you know it is futile, why bother? It is literally a waste of time at that point.

            That said, I personally dont think it is futile. I think it mostly is an attainable goal, minus the withering of the state; I don’t think we could reach a point where the state is completely unnecessary, so I advocate Socialism. I just also think it is ridiculous that someone would try and claim something is futile while simultaneously advocating that everyone adhere to that thing. Their philosophy states clearly attainable, objective goals. If they think it is unrealistic for anyone to ever achieve those goals, then they don’t believe in their own philosophy. That is textbook cognitive dissonance.

            • 31337@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              1 year ago

              Communism is very utopian and it is not well defined about how it would work in a practical or thoeretical sense (AFAIK). It is something to aspire to. Something to guide your path. One day, something like it may be achieved, but will take a long time to get there. Like, say, carbon neutrality, the “pursuit of happiness,” the elimination of world hunger, to be like Jesus and to not sin, to have pyramids built, etc. It’s a fairly common concept.

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              22·
              1 year ago

              That’s not cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is the feeling of discomfort one may feel when holding contradictory beliefs and forced to reconcile the two.

              Edit: spelling

        • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
          31·
          1 year ago

          Not to agree with statism, but it sounds like you’re combining the incompatible beliefs of two different people.

        • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          They fetishize the struggle; they don’t actually want progress, they want to complain.

          In the past they were sitting in cafes across Europe, chain smoking and writing pamphlets.

          • CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            You should go back to your quotes, its pretty obvious that we are discussing the idea of holding a belief while simultaneously categorizing that belief as impossible.

      • saumanahaii@lemm.ee
        2·
        1 year ago

        I’d say that fixes the problem, but, uh, pretty sure it’ll just strangle the platform. Really the only thing I can think of is a few people bouying smaller subs with content. Some of the art Lemmies in the ‘imaginaryXYZ’ realm are a good example, with like one person posting content on basically all of them. It’s enough to make it worth subbing though.

        Also I love how a post about how I’m tired of all the politics turned into a political discussion. Like, I do agree with one of the sides, but that’s literally what we’re complaining about.

    • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
      162·
      1 year ago

      Over the past few years I’ve become a blocking fiend. Transphobia? Blocked. Misogyny? Blocked. Vaccine conspiracy? Believe or not, blocked. It’s great, I don’t have to deal with terrible people and they don’t have to deal with me.

      I also have the orange guy and the X guy’s names filtered out because I’m done seeing them everywhere.

      If you want American politics off of your dashboard you would probably get a lot of mileage just from filtering out “Biden”, “Trump”, and “Desantis”. Florida/Texas/California could be good too but you’ll block non-political stories.

  • Polar@lemmy.ca
    5118·
    1 year ago

    Americans are really annoying. They ruin the internet with their ability to turn ANYTHING and EVERYTHING into American politics. Even if it’s about a cat on the opposite side of the world.

    My favourite is posting a comment and having someone say “you voted for Biden, didn’t you?”. Nah, bro, I stepped foot in your country once and was mugged at gun point. I will never be back, let alone a fucking citizen of that shit hole.

    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml
      147·
      1 year ago

      Americans are interested in American politics. Next thing you’ll tell me is Europeans are interested in European politics. I never hear about Brexit…

      • Polar@lemmy.ca
        1310·
        1 year ago

        Whats your point?

        Americans bring their politics into everything. “Europeans” (such a generalization), bring their politics into posts that pertain to it.

        Americans being upset because Starfield has pronouns is annoying. You don’t really see “Europeans”, Canadians, Mexicans, etc. crying about it. Just citizens of the USA.

        • dukk@programming.dev
          72·
          1 year ago

          You had a point, but then you started blaming the Americans for everything. Yeah, Americans pretty much just forget that there exist tons of people on the internet who aren’t American, but that doesn’t mean that all Americans just bring politics into everything.

          Secondly, stop trying to blame others for things you have no idea who did. Sounds like you’ve got a similar problem to many Americans, where you’ll see some fair-right homophobic dude on the internet and think, “ugh, stupid Americans,”. Yeah, many Americans can be narrow-minded at times, but that doesn’t mean you project your opinion on that entire country.

        • Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works
          31·
          1 year ago

          Based on my time on the internet, the region with the most annoying political users is Europe. They almost always fall under one of these four categories:

          1. Western Europeans with a superiority complex with the US

          2. Western Europeans with an inferiority complex with the US

          3. Eastern Europeans who want to ethnically cleanse each other (Serbia and Albania, Greece and Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey, Bosnia and Serbia, Poland and Belarus, Poland and Russia, Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine and Hungary, and the list goes on and on).

          4. Ultra racist tankies, islamists, or neo nazis who want to see the collapse of the EU, the eradication of immigrants, and “independence from US occupation”

          Per capita, they’re second to none in ignorance, arrogance, and sheer whininess. However, they tend to get drowned out by the sheer amount American users on any given platform.

      • YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca
        1·
        1 year ago

        That would be nice, especially if it were by a lake or ocean, but I’d have to hire someone to mow the lawn.

        • Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works
          21·
          1 year ago

          I would have a small section near the house that I would use as a typical backyard, but I would want the majority of the land to be like a mini nature preserve (whether it’s natural or engineered). Just chilling in your own slice of nature without the threat of government incompetence or corporate greed sounds great to me

    • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
      35·
      1 year ago

      Over half of the internet users are US/Canada people, making it half homogeneous. About 30% are Europeans. I do wonder how it would be if Anglo internet was segregated from rest of the world.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
        112·
        1 year ago

        Veganism somehow became politically charged, although not as much as LGBTQ+ who literally get disowned by their own family.

          • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
            122·
            1 year ago

            Calling things like veganism and LGBT political is sad to me. Are we really saying people who don’t want to harm animals and people who believe all genders and sexual orientations should have the same rights are political? Politics should mean shit like taxes.

            • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl
              71·
              1 year ago

              That’s quite a narrow definition of politics. I’d say anything that humans do that is perceived by others to be part of a social structure that maintains or challenges social norms and power relations is political.

              Only if veganism itself becomes something nobody would challenge (like health is better than death, breathing is important) or if you are the last person on earth you can become the first apolitical vegan.

              • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
                2·
                1 year ago

                That’s what I’m saying. They shouldn’t be political issues. Everyone would hopefully agree. I’m not saying we shouldn’t call them political issues, I’m lamenting that they have become political issues.

              • Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                1 year ago

                The issue here is that you’re adding connotations to the term that aren’t there. Being vegan just simply means not consuming animal products. There’s no ideology attached to it. It’s not something that’s inherently political. People can be, and many are, vegan for health, religious, or personal reasons. You can’t claim your personal views on being vegan are the only ones. You don’t have exclusive ownership of the term. I personally don’t care how you feel about veganism, my point is that veganism is a lot more broad and apolitical than people like you, who tend to have myopic views, claim it to be.

    • b_n@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      1 year ago

      Ah, see that’s where I am going wrong. I don’t engage in any content, but I do code in Rust.

        • PeWu@lemmy.ml
          57·
          1 year ago

          Dude, I’m just tired of listening ramblings about something that doesn’t concern me.

          • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org
            114·
            1 year ago

            The problem is that politics affect nearly every person alive. If you stayed more informed you’d likely know that.

            The attitude that you’d rather check out because you’re not impacted not only indicates a position of privilege, it’s precisely what evil leaders want because it helps them enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.

            • Polar@lemmy.ca
              21·
              1 year ago

              I don’t really care to hear Americans fight over Trump/Biden like children for 4 years. Oh wait, it’s been more than 4 years, and they are still bitching about Trump.

              Doesn’t concern me. Hit me up when you’re actually discussing politics that matter.

  • ch3ck3rs@lemmy.world
    221·
    1 year ago

    Image 1 should just have a full frame impact font reading ‘linux’. Neither are ideal.

    • akulium@feddit.de
      3·
      1 year ago

      Both could be good if they were more strictly organized into communities or servers and the “all” feeds would lose importance… but unfortunately we are all just a bunch of shitposters and not the intellectuals we pretend to be