• Wren@lemmy.world
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    So… if we eat an unrealistic amount of processed meat we will get sick?

    Who knew?

    Next they’ll tell us that swallowing even 1 mouthful of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash is unsafe.

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    as little as one hot dog a day

    That is a lot processed meat to be eating if its every single day. Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week? Also hot dog sausages are surely some of the worst sausages for being highly processed. Don’t forget about the strange bread used in hot dogs too. That must have a shitload of stuff added to it or it would be stale and mouldy. Bread shouldn’t still be fresh days later.

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      also celery salt, or juice in those bougie organic hot dogs, in places like whole foods is all nitrates too. nitrate/nitrite salts have distinctive taste and smell. many orgnaic brands might have celery salt. your safe if the ingredients isnt mentioning any salts or celery.

      when your heating up nitrates, it forms things like nitrosamine which have been implicated in lab studies of causing cancer in model organisms.

      smoked and UNCURED meat might still have the same nitrates in them.

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    6 hours ago

    “If we are indeed in the glitchiest of timelines, remember we have collective will. Collective authorship. We are not beholden to the nightmares of those men of old who envisioned the world in extraction and pain.”  -  Zoe Todd

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    But I only buy boars head so it obviously safe.

    /s, although I did reluctantly buy some teriyaki chicken boars head that sounded amazing.

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    What is the definition of “processed” here? blended meat? high salt %? specific preservatives? artificial casing?

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      Only $209 per year for access to the content

      Or

      Similar research from around a year ago:

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378589731_Ultra-processed_food_exposure_and_adverse_health_outcomes_umbrella_review_of_epidemiological_meta-analyses/

      "Introduction Ultra-processed foods, as defined using the Nova food classification system, encompass a broad range of ready to eat products, including packaged snacks, carbonated soft drinks, instant noodles, and ready- made meals. 1 These products are characterised as industrial formulations primarily composed of chemically modified substances extracted from foods, along with additives to enhance taste, texture, appearance, and durability, with minimal to no inclusion of whole foods. 2 "

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_classification

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      Also what definition of “safe”.

      My grandpa eats at least one burger per week and he’s turning 90 next year. So obviously “safe” isn’t a measure of imminent and near term death?

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        I agree with you, but using a relative that does something unhealthy that got old to prove a point is not really scientific nor right.

        We absolutely know that smoking causes cancer is a really unhealthy habit, yet we see people that smoke reach very high age. However the average smoker lives a shorter life.

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        As always, unsafe never means 100% chance to kill. Not wearing s seatbelt while driving is unsafe, but it doesn’t mean that you will not be able to survive to 90 is you’re lucky.

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      If I were to guess the biggest problem is modified fats and high temperature processing are the biggest dangers

      So no, lab grown meat wouldn’t have that problem provided they don’t use modified fats or steam canning you should be fine.

      The thing is whatever trace contaminants are in the substrate will manifest in concentration in the meat

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    Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids…

    Followed by

    The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day …

    As little as one hot dog a day? I eat like one every few months. How many hot dogs is the average American eating daily?

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    im okay with not living to 100 at this point, life is short, and id like it to be shorter.

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    Like… is it written to excite anxiety?

    Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003. I like how precisely we can measure it using regular statistics, but what does it tell to a human being? To me it tells nothing about hotdogs

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      This is like saying it’s not safe to go outside because there’s some marginal percent you’ll be murdered or some shit.

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      I guess the point is that it shows the correlation between processed food and cancer is statistically significant. As in there is definitely a link, and this meta analysis shows good evidence this link exists. Even if the impact is small.

      As for the day to day impact of this study, I’m not sure there is one. Processed food is already on WHOs list of things that definitely cause cancer.

      Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003.

      Depending on the average amount of processed meats eaten, it could also show not eating a hot dog every day will reduce your risk of cancer by about that much. It’s probably only important in the cumulative though. When we have studies like this for many foods, you could put together a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say. But one food’s impact like this is probably only important to scientists.

      So getting back to your original question:

      Like… is it written to excite anxiety?

      Yes. Anxiety drives clicks which drives revenue.

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        1000 people show up to the annual picnic. If we remove hot dogs from the market, and dont serve them at our picnic, or any picnic, ever, 40 of those 1000 people are going to get colorectal cancer.

        If we do serve hot dogs at our picnic (and every other picnic), 43 people are going to get colorectal cancer at some point in their lives.

        Pass the mustard.

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                Fish are carnivorous, and mercury is bioaccumulative. So, larger fish tend to have higher concentrations than smaller fish, but pretty much all fish have some level of mercury. There is no “safe” concentration.

                But the real problem with your scenario is that I’d prefer hunger pangs over fish, grilled or otherwise.

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                  Freshwater fish also exist, or areas with less contamination. If you won’t eat fish though that sounds more like a you problem.

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        It’s probably only important in the cumulative though. When we have studies like this for many foods, you could put together a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say.

        I don’t think that quite transfers, epidemiology is very weak, it only surfaces associates which is a good point to do a interventional trial but that is rarely done. The core problem with these studies is that to isolate variables they have to make a model of that variable in isolation, this relies on both assumptions of the model maker, accuracy of data, and is very vulnerable to p-hacking. Model assumptions that a hamburger and fries counts as meat, but not vegetable (potato) also impact the outcomes.

        The large observational food surveys conducted typically have a 1-4 year questionnaire about how many servings of different food someone ate. Once every 4 years leaves lots of room open for forgetfulness.

        There is a huge problem with healthy user confounders, people trying to follow all the modern health advice are going to skew results - not because all of the advice is correct, but some of it is. If someone exercises regularly, practices mindfulness, avoids processed foods, avoids meat - Are their improvements due to any single variable, yet on a food survey they get over represented because of these exclusionary behaviors.

        We also have multiple different epidemiology studies covering the same topics and getting different results, that probably means we are focusing on the wrong question, it’s noisy.

        From my reading its far more likely the modern epidemic of chronic disease is caused by the introduction of excessive carbohydrates in processed foods, the novel addition of industrial oils (again processed foods) into the food supply - they account for 30%!!! of the average westerners average calorie intake, exposure to food contaminates from agrochemicals such as pesticides. The metabolic context of people filling out these surveys is a critical part that is being omitted.

        In the following graphs notice how the incidence is very high in countries with traditionally low meat consumption like india? This indicates the hypothesis generated from the abstract paper isn’t asking the right question.

        example graphs

        CVD

        Type 2 Diabetes

        My point is that you can follow every bit of advice from associative food surveys, but since the wrong questions are being focused on, your outcomes wont be as good as you hope. Quite frankly epidemiology is more about publicity and marketing then being part of the scientific process.

        If you haven’t read about the Metabolic Theory of Cancer I highly recommend giving it a read. It’s a much more compelling model, and explains the surge of cancer since 1900, as well as actionable steps to reduce incidence (reduce sugar and inflammation).

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        Like I said, it may be a scientifically interesting study, but the broader audience can’t take anything from it but anxiety.

        a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say.

        That would be significant, but probably not today. The lifetime risk of dying as a pedestrian in a car accident is around 1 in 100, so mitigating other risks is not an option for now

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          Cancer is the leading cause of premature mortality and morbidity (death and disability) in Canada.

          So, an accumulation of small risks, and avoidance of risks, have significant benefits at both the individual and population levels.

          The general population needs to be aware that unhealthy eating is impacting their lives and quality of life.

          Let’s stick to the peer reviewed science and evidence consensus.

          WHO established the four behavioural common risk factors for the four major chronic noncommunicable diseases decades ago.

          The kind of research synthesis in this article is about continuing to build the evidence on relative and absolute risks, and in some cases look at how these differences impact different populations more or less due to intersecting determinants.

          Common risk factors

          • unhealthy diet
          • physical inactivity
          • tobacco use
          • harmful use of alcohol
          • air pollution added more recently

          Major chronic noncommunicable diseases

          • cancer
          • cardiovascular diseases
          • diabetes
          • chronic respiratory diseases
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            Parent comment discussed “anxiety”, a condition which has its own associated morbidity and mortality, and should also be considered when evaluating these studies.

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            funny thing is diabetes can cause all the rest of the illness, or as a comorbidity. if your type 2 your at risk for all of those other diseases. people who have type 2 already are taking avrostatin(anti cholesterol meds), maybe blood pressure meds if its high enough, medications to reduce triglycerides. of course insulin, or insulin stimulating medication, because type 2 is insulin resistance. diabetic neuropathy, renal disease. thats type 2 is also a very profitable disease, ton of medications for different associated illnesses.

            type 1 is an expensive disease, but different causes.

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            No questions regarding the populational risks as the small percentages would shine with the big numbers.

            WHO’s recommendations remain the same for decades indeed: lower processed and red meat, eat chicken and fiber.

            What’s your point exactly?

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              My point is that raising risks of getting hit by a car, or other accidental causes of injury and death beyond the individual’s control, is a deflection.

              Cancer is the leading cause of death in Canada.

              Full stop.

              No one single risk factor is responsible for that. Building the evidence base to be able to both inform individual behaviour but also to inform food safety regulations is important.

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        Isn’t big tobacco still the major investor in cancer epidemiology research? I mean, when it’s not about cigarettes and nicotine

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      The title is also shit, leaving put sugars etc and only putting forward processed Meat.

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    Well, clearly that ain’t true because God wouldn’t have made pork pies taste so nice otherwise.

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    I’d like to be sealed in a sous vide bag, that way I can be perpetually protected from anything that tastes good and live forever.

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    What an insane headline.

    First meta data analysis.

    Second, “This current research has shown, yet again and consistent with prior research … that to achieve health gains it is best to avoid or minimize the habitual consumption of each of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) and industrially produced trans fatty acids (TFAs),”

    So don’t eat a ton of shit every day. Got it. The CNN version of super size me propaganda rage bait.

    You’re shitty at science and spreading propaganda. Feel bad about yourself.

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    Seems particularly bad for the average USA fast food diet. People in the USA love soda, fried food and processed meat.