My company was discovered using monkeys for emissions tests. They were gassing monkeys, and legitimately used “everyone in the industry does it” as an internal defense to quell upset staff.
Fuck Volkswagen. Straight up. No fucks given, worst job I ever worked.
Wait, wtf… Volkswagen killed monkeys in emission tests?
Holy fuck you are right. Wtf is wrong with people…
The people’s car
Jeez… did that story ever reach the press?!?
It seems to be public knowledge. I hadn’t heard of this either. Yet another in a long line of companies doing shitty things and I’m sure a lot of money spent to make sure this didn’t become household knowledge.
a lot of monkey spent
Huehuehehe…, its ok, I’ll show myself out…
It did in the Netherlands. And then people stopped caring as the next hot article got out.
What’s horrifying to me isn’t that VW used ‘everyone does it’ as a defense, it’s that multiple carmakers are apparently gassing monkeys for emission tests.
I got a promotion. There was no raise in salary just expectations of more responsibilities. I got a $100 visa gift card. I saw that as a big fuck you. I was out as soon as I could manage.
That is also a giant red flag. Normally, when you are paid via some non-taxable reward, it means your “promotion” isn’t ever going to come with benefits that allow you to go climbing up the ladder. You made a good decision there.
My manager got a promotion with a hefty salary increase, then the company announced a hiring and salary freeze, then gave me a promotion with more responsibilities (some of my manager’s as well) but with the same salary.
I quited a few months later as soon as I could secure something else
I’m dealing with that right now with my current company. They’ve had me working in a role 4 positions above the one my title would indicate for the last year. Being healthcare, they blamed not being able to change my job title because they can’t afford increasing my pay during “these unprecedented times.” Now, a year later, they’re “working on updating my job title,” but it’s going to be a lateral title change with no change in payscale.
You bet I’m on my way out
I guess it’s not quite that level of “fuck this shit I’m out” but I realized that I was doing a significant amount of work that would be outside the description of a junior software engineer. I chatted with my boss and asked for a raise, he went to HR and they said no, so I asked for a promotion and he took it all the way to the VP and they still said no. After that I said “well they must not care about me but this other company is offering a 20k raise so I’m out.”
It did suck because my boss was still probably the best manager I’ve ever had who gave me everything he could to help me succeed but they refused to give me a raise. I don’t miss the work but I for sure miss that team.
As tough as it was for your manager to lose you, you probably also did them a favor by giving them ammo they can use to fight for future employees. Now they can point to your departure next time they’re arguing for a raise for another teammmate.
I would hope that’s the case, however the company is one that contracts to other organizations and my dad’s former position was one of their biggest clients (I was on a different program). He was saying that their turnover rate is going up because they wouldn’t give raises to hardly any of their employees. That and now they’re being laid off due to the main contract losing funding, but that’s just bureaucratic junk.
I had a similar experience.
Was working for more than 5 years at a company. Pay was not very good, but okayish. The entire company was rather unhappy, though.
During covid we had a lengthy talk with the director about how we can’t staff many projects since we don’t pay enough and can’t get new people or keep the old ones. He denied even the extremely obvious lack of people. I had offers on the table and told him, what other employers were ready to pay and he just told me, that this is bullshit.
At that point it was clear to me, that there was no way that I would ever get this idiot to accept reality and I accepted an offer for 50% more.
The funny thing is, my manager asked me, if he could ask his manager about a counteroffer. They came up with a comprehensive plan where I could “earn” the raise over a period of three years and at the end would end up about 10% below what was currently offered. Absolutely incredible.
It’s really sad, that it had to go down that way. The company and the colleagues were pretty good otherwise. But 50% more is a really really good argument.
Yeah their new VP basically said “we don’t do mid-year raises” which is just dumb, they also never conveyed to me that I did receive a raise, but it was a 1.2% COL increase, which was a slap in the face. I received a higher COL increase after I had been with my new company for only 3 months at the end of last year.
My former boss and my dad used to work together which is how I had learned about the job to begin with and they happened to go out for drinks with some other guys and my boss just asked my dad point blank “Am I going to lose Haggis?” My dad just said “If you can’t get him 5% by the end of the year, he’ll probably jump.” My boss responded with “Well it’s been fun working with him.” He genuinely tried everything he could, had a 3 page document written up about why I deserved a mid-level position, explained why he couldn’t lose me and the company just said “eh, wait till next year.”
I applied for another job and had the recruiter reach out to me within 20 minutes due to it being a company I had worked for prior (left because I didn’t like the project I was on and wanted a change of pace) and within an hour and a half of applying they had called me and then two weeks later I was given an offer. The offer was the crazy part because I was making about 74k as a junior at the other job, I asked for 85 as a “high ball” to hope they would give me at least 80 and they told me they would beat that, so the next time they asked I said 90 and they just gave me 92 anyway. Definitely felt nice to be more appreciated.
Bomb threat, also 2 colleagues went to prison, unrelated to the bomb.
I might be headed there too. For the first time in forever I like my manager and he always goes to bat for me. And I am the lead of a team I really like. But the company gave me a crappy raise despite huge profits and all the good feedback from coworkers that led to me getting the lead position (without raise) after only a little over a year.
Now they are reclassifying my job as an in-office position even though I was hired for remote and my team is spread across the country and the world including my manager, so I’d still be doing all communications over the internet. Fortunately, they are short on office space in my city and the next closest office is over 150 miles away and they made it so they only force people to commute 50 miles (as the crow flies, not actual driving miles) which is still ridiculous, especially for a couple of my colleagues who would have to take a ferry which adds a lot of time, or drive around a pretty big body of water to get to my city.
But if they try to force the office thing after expanding office space, or don’t give me a better raise next year, especially after the unpaid promotion with extra responsibilities, I’m gone.
I’m odd because I vastly prefer in-office work so that’s never been a deal-breaker for me. I like the option to work from home if needed, but the nature of my new job means I just don’t have anything to do from home and have to be on-site.
But I too have received unpaid “promotions” recently, but they’re generally because I seek out more responsibilities and take on more hats than I need out of necessity. “Oh no one is handling our new hires and I need to build a team? Guess I’m doing team allocation now.” “We’re out of seats and I need 3 seats for my team? Guess I’m in charge of that now.” “We’re out of VMs and have to steal them from other people to reallocate? Guess I’m organizing that effort too.”
That’s just good experience though as I’m using it for leverage to get a promotion next year, potentially moving to a management position.
Next time get the offer before asking for the raise and present it to your boss. Sucks that it works this way, but they probably would’ve handed you the promotion if you had an offer. Call it market research!
Or they would have him training his replacement the moment the other offer expired.
That’s absolutely not how it works in the majority of corporations where you manager isn’t a vindictive piece of shit, it’s absolutely expected by management and HR. In this case, OP’s manager had their back, they definitely wouldn’t have faced retaliation.
I do this every few years and I’ve only switched companies a handful of them, and only because they wouldn’t match the other offer. You can make corporations work for you you know, the “fear the corporation you work for” attitude is dangerous as hell.
Well the time between me asking and me getting a new job was like 9 months. I was actually patient and waited a while before I looked but eventually couldn’t wait. So I got the offer and then asked for a counter and they wouldn’t do it.
Ah yeah, that’s the way to do it. Personally I interview around every few years and present higher offers to my current company, most of the time they counter and I stay, couple times they didn’t and I left. Unfortunately it’s pretty much the only way to keep your salary above inflation these days, but since I started in the data industry I’ve 6x my total compensation, so it definitely does work.
Not me but my partner.
She was working as a research assistant in a lab for several years. She asked her boss if she could be promoted to a research associate, which was one level above her. She already been doing the job of a researcher (3 levels above her). Her boss said that they were in a hiring freeze and that it wouldn’t be possible, but maybe in 2-3 YEARS she might be up for a promotion. Her boss wanted everyone to get the most they possibly could out of their current position before promotion. What my partner heard was that even if she eventually got the promotion to the next level, it might be 5-7 years after that promotion until the next promotion.
I’ve never seen her so angry when she came home. She immediately started applying to new jobs in a different field. She also stopped doing work above her pay grade, to which her boss actually tried to retaliate against her. Within 2 months, she moved onto a new job that is 75% WFM, pays more, has a better culture and is in a field where she can much more easily move upward.
Her former company has started layoffs.
Not doing more than what you’re paid for was a great lesson to learn early in my working life, good on her for knowing her worth.
I wish I learned it earlier… I’m on the downslope of 30s, and still find myself going above and beyond.
I don’t expect to get anything out of it at this point though… I learned a long long time ago that hard work doesn’t pay off, but I also don’t want to do my actual job, so I find other things I’d rather do, and do that. I can easily justify doing so, because everyone known I’m out in 7 weeks (staying until start of fiscal for my bonus, then bouncing), the things I’m doing are highly beneficial for the company, and nobody else wants to do it or would do nearly as well (it’s exactly what my degree is for, but not a task they prioritize enough to ever hire for).
And from here on out, I’m just going to take contract work. Zero expectation of going above and beyond, because everyone knows it’s a temporary arrangement. Perfect, because I have no self control and am a major major people pleaser.
This was more than a decade ago. Someone from HR mistakenly emailed a spreadsheet of all employees’ salaries to a bunch of people who aren’t authorized to see it. As part of my job, my team was tasked to track down all traces of the file on email and company workstations and remove it. Naturally I was able to see the file because of my task. I saw how low my pay was compared to my colleagues and how absurd it jumps up in just a couple of levels in rank. I and a lot of employees quit shortly after.
“Mistakenly emailed a spreadsheet of employees salaries”? Sounds more like something a pissed of employee would do just before quitting
Not sure how common of an occurrence an HR mistakenly send the salary of all staff, but it happened to my first company more than a decade ago well.
I wasn’t able to see it as I was on mid-shift and the email was successfully recalled by the time I got in the office. A team was going through every workstation to ensure that the file was deleted. Fun times.
I was working at a hospital that had to do ethics training twice per year because of previous violations. I was sitting on the floor in a super crowded room and the video opened with, “Do your ethics match those of your employer?” and i went, “Oh shit! They do not! I have to get out of here!”
I am confused? The “previous violations” were your doing or the employers?
The hospital had violations and for the next 5 (i think) years, all staff had to do ethics training twice per year. Money and productivity were much more important to them than patient care. Shortly before i left they quit buying wet wipes. Staff was expected to clean patients (bathing, vomit, BM, blood) with washcloths that were put into laundry bins for wash and reuse.
Nebraska Med?
No. An HCA hospital in Texas.
They would have surely been fired if they had two ethics violations. Only companies get away with a slap on a wrist.
- what you say and what you do are only vaguely connected
- at the end of the day, money always matters more than anything else
- if you have to follow the law, just stick to the letter instead of the spirit of it
I worked for a kind of IT outsourcing center for a company that otherwise had a very good reputation. We were their cheap, crappy branch. They still had decent severance packages as a vestige of when they used to be a decent company. When they had a round of layoffs at our site, after a few days of calling people into the office and seeing them come out crying, I started to do the math. I would be paid well enough for a few months if I got laid off. I would finally have the time and mental energy to job search and move on. At the end of the week, when they announced that all of the people had been laid off that would be affected, I found I was disapointed. That’s when I realized how truly toxic that place was, how much I hated it, and how badly I needed to move on.
That seems kind of shitty. Where did you end up going? I just started an IT job for a hospital in my city. Still learning the ropes for sure.
I ended up working for a bank next as a contractor. The grass was greener on the other side of the fence, but not by as much as I hoped. I used the skills I learned there and my increase in pay as a springboard for finding a better job with slightly higher pay as a regular employee elsewhere at a small healthcare company.
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Worked at a day center that cared for adults with developmental disabilities. Part of my job was picking up, dropping off clients, event trips, activities. In my 1st 3 months there, I saw:
Coworker parked bus, pushed wheelchair client onto lift, walked away to smoke a cig. Client and wheelchair 10 feet off pavement, not tied down.
Some staff had to clean, change diapers. They would grab clients, throw them down, rip diapers off, spray lysol on their genitals.
In parking lot, coming back from trip, coworker shoved client so hard he fell face first into asphalt, bleeding, tooth chipped.
I could go on.
I tried talking with manager several times. She didn’t care. I really needed the money, but couldn’t stomach it, called adult protective services, who came out, and they got in serious trouble, shut down temporarily, manager fired, fines, etc. Lost the job, but don’t regret it.
Sounds similar to a job I had at an old folks home.
Throw wage theft and other DoL labor violations in.
I was happy to hear to hear when the state shut them down.
Just wish I had been older and less naive, I should have documented and reported myself, but I was a dumb kid.
This kind of nonsense is why my mom moved in with us. There are so many horror stories about elderly abuse, and those homes are freaking expensive!
Good on you. Years ago I delivered pizza when I was like 17. A couple times I had to go to a facility like this and it was the most appalling thing. I couldn’t believe how callus the staff were and I left after dropping off the pizza wanting to cry. If I had a bit more life experience I would have called APS. I still wish I had but I was a dumb 17 year old at the time that felt completely powerless
Holy fucking shit, those people sound like the scum of the Earth. How the fuck do they live with themselves?
To explain my “fuck this shit” moment first we need to understand the company.
They were a smart pouring alcohol, beer wine alcohol kumbucha, whatever. They could pour it. They sold their product as PaaS, Pour as a Service. The idea was that you a bar owner could have them come in, install their taps (which they maintained) and you would have fancy data and controls over these taps.
You want 1 push to mean 12 Ozes of beer and for the taps to lockdown at 12am automatically? Bam, they’d do it. In theory at any rate. Truthfully, they never could get the pours perfect. It was actually pretty hilarious in hindsight because they wanted to advertise that they were solving shrinkage and waste lol.
Let’s move along though, when I got hired, the tech stuff was handled by me, a full stack developer, two electrical engineers, an embedded developer and a shit tier consultant that wanted to use Ansible for EVERYTHING including Infrastructure as Code (we’ll touch on that).
The tech stuff was either non distributed architecture, basically a piece of shit application made in nodejs running on I shit you not, beaglebone blacks. For reference page one of the user manual says “don’t use this in production” for good reason, one of the issues was the lack of a real time clock another was this hardware level race condition where the beaglebone just wouldn’t boot fully so it needed a reboot. Lol. Oh, also it was running debian wheezy in 2019 (unsure on exact timing) which had been EOLed back in 2018. I always found it using when they talked about security as if they gave a shit.
The other one was the distributed architecture, this was running on a board that was developed in house by one of the EEs. It had feature parity and was supposed to replace nonda. This one ran a bit differently using async messaging and some really fancy bells and whistles. It was also running debian Jessie, which wasn’t fantastic but better than nonda.
2 months after my hiring, the full stack developer left. The guy had a tendency to boil the ocean but he also knew damn near everything about both architectures. So losing him was fun and I had to take on everything he did, minus code, quickly. Our consultant meanwhile, took on very little.
As startups do, problems would happen and be bandaided, I would complain about tech debt get ignored and dumpster fires would happen as one would expect. After a while, we started losing more people, first the EE I wasn’t close to. Then the embedded guy and finally the EE I was close to.
At this point, I was stressed beyond belief and fucking sick of it. Both the culture and the bullshit where if I fucked up, I got punished but if the consultant fucked up or ignored policy nothing would happen.
I’m not sure on the timeline here but two things happened.
- there was an outage after hours. I wasn’t aware of it and was eating dinner with my family which is very important to me because family. After dad’s battle with cancer, I wanted to make sure important things like family dinner were a family time thing. No phones, no TV. Maybe music but mostly talking and spending time together.
Back to the story, I got called. Family excused me so I answered and was informed about the outage. They asked me to pitch in because it looked like something I was knowledgeable about, I said sure I don’t mind but I need to finish dinner with my family first, because we were already in the middle of it. Sounds reasonable right? Not to my boss. He demanded I stop, I held firm. He got pissy but relented and let me finish.
Bet you’re expecting some heroic effort and a saved the day right? Nah. I had nothing to do because it had nothing to do with me. No apology was given nor was a thank you extended. I literally sat there, scrolling reddit “being available”
- after my team left, I got asked to step up and at that point I was getting interested in the SRE space. I had been interviewing and wanted the title. So I asked for it, and was told “I’ll think about it” after they said there would be no raise. Weeks passed, nothing happened. Not even a “hey we need to say no”. So I got an offer from my current employer, had the title I wanted and everything. I accepted and gave previous employer less than 2 weeks. First thing the boss asked was if it was because of the no promotion.
Fast forward 2 years to April of this year. The board of investors fired the owner and coo and the company declared bankruptcy. Good fucking riddance. Bunch of stupid fucking schmucks.
You want 1 push to mean 12 Ozes of beer and for the taps to lockdown at 12am automatically? Bam, they’d do it. In theory at any rate. Truthfully, they never could get the pours perfect. It was actually pretty hilarious in hindsight because they wanted to advertise that they were solving shrinkage and waste lol.
Um. That should be incredibly easy. Pharmaceutical companies have solved this decades ago. That’s how ever single vial of whatever sterile contents is always exactly perfectly filled. Were they trying to reinvent the wheel or something? Why not just use a normal metering pump?
Uncarbonated liquids are dead simple to titrate, it’s true. For a carbonated product like beer, it’s actually a much more complicated problem than it seems. The amount of foam you get on a keg pour of beer is effected by a lot of variables - how clean the lines are, how cold the lines are, how long the lines are, the diameter of the lines, whether you’re using beergas or co2, how old the beer is, if it’s keg conditioned or force carbonated, how recently the keg was moved into refrigeration, how cold the beer itself is, if it’s the first pour of the day or if the tap has been running frequently, the mechanical design of the faucet, the temperature, cleanliness, shape, and size of the glass it’s going into, and more. It’s really fiddly business, I can’t see how a push button system could take everything into account and render less wastage than a human operator with a feel for the system. Draft systems are voodoo, ask me how I know.
Anyway companies typically have an unrealistic expectation of what draft wastage ought to be. I would advise any bar to expect something like 15% wastage at minimum on professional draft equipment, more if they’re using bargain grade hardware anywhere in the system, but ownership doesn’t want to hear that.
Because metering pumps cost more in the short term than custom code, boards, software stacks, and most importantly…consultants.
The year is 2020.
Covid was in full force, and we were suddenly assigned impossible tasks in very little time. Not to mention we hadn’t been given a raise in more than 2 years, not because the company finances were bad, but because the owner was a greedy bastard.
Then one person decided to quit. And another. And another.
What did the owner do? Raise salaries to keep the personnel? No, he let them leave and loaded all the work onto us.
I decided I wouldn’t be the one crushed by that load, so I was the next to leave. Bye bye.
Sounds like the one I quit in 2021
Which company was this if you don’t mind me asking
I don’t mind, but I can’t answer either 😅
Let’s say it’s run by a Latin American oligarch family.
any idea what happened to the company now?
When after lockdown they forced us back into the office after we showed we could do all the work perfectly from home. To top it off they hired 2 sales people for remote work.
My office keeps claiming they want to maximize WFH while also enacting new policies to the contrary.
My favorite cherry on top is that the one top level exec spent the whole pandemic crowing about how she wanted everyone back in the office full time as soon as it was an option… then she takes a fucking sideways promotion that let her work fully remote for a position in a state over a thousand miles away without having to move, because it’s remote.
There’s just so many of these fuckos who want everyone except themselves to RTO.
Rejecting my vacation request for stupid reasons and not giving me a raise for over two years. I had been there for 10 years.
What exactly were the reasons? Just curious.
Surviving a layoff… time to leave before second layoff happens.
My current employer had a relatively small layoffs round (about 3% of the workforce). More people resigned afterwards than during the layoffs.
If management is really good. And they have to do a layoff no matter what. They will cut deeper than they need to. And then explain to everybody the financial situation and why the layoff was both necessary, but sufficient to guarantee the survival of the company. They will demonstrate to the people they laid off that they’re being taken care of in the company still cares and that the survivors shouldn’t worry because the company took care of its people.
Unfortunately the reality is a lot of executives will go incommunicado for a layoff. It’ll stop relaying anything. So the worst case scenario plays out in people’s minds. Especially about finances. They get very shy about the real financial situation.
The best I’ve seen is post layoff all the survivors are given a incentive scheme to stick around. That you know increases over time. To prevent people from jumping ship immediately. Cuz no matter what you do post layoff you’re going to lose more organic people. And probably you’re more capable of people. Because they’re more able to find a job quickly. so you’re going to have a brain drain you need to fight and if you don’t you might be in a worse operational position then if you hadn’t had a lay off at all.
Especially smaller businesses cuz they suffer from key person vulnerabilities more than larger companies.
That seems like a reasonable and logical decision.
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There’s a lot of variables that go into those decisions. But for many people it’s better to have a stable future prospect then a possible payout short-term.
CEO scolded me in front of my team for joining a meeting virtually and told me to come into the office more frequently. The underlying assumption that my work is not good unless I come in is what drove me away. Especially because it’s a hybrid position and my commute sucks. 1 day remote is not hybrid. The interview process led me to believe they were far more flexible than they actually are.
A similar thing just happened at my current hybrid job. My company is owned by a much larger corporation and the only reason it hasn’t been fully absorbed is because we’re making a lot of money for them. An email was sent out from corporate with the usual RTO talking points (COVID is over, we did great working apart but now we need to all come in to work together because we’re better this way) with the due date being early September. Less than an hour went by when a rep from my company sent out a follow up email asking us to ignore the first message because it’s only for the parent company. I was halfway done updating my resume when I saw it. I’m guessing there where more than just a few people who sent out some very angry emails to upper management.
Grew up with 2 passions- cars and computers. Wound up working at dealerships for 12 or so years.
One day I’d been with this dealer for about 4 years, I got passed over for a better position because “You’re too good at what you do to move you out of it.”
I’d been looking for an excuse to go back to computers, and that was it. Quit on the spot, took my tools home and started tech school.
I worked in Customer Support as one of the most senior people in the department. I wanted to be a programmer for the same company. They had many openings. They passed me up countless times saying you’re for sure going to get it next time. Finally a supervisor was honest with me. They never intended to let me leave support as they knew it’d be a major loss for the Support Department if I left.
Naturally that killed my motivation and so I started not caring about the work and turned down my energy and output. Started telling the mgmt no I wont work on Support tools code anymore. I made a bunch of tools used by the support team, Dashboards, zendesk apps, lots of browser scripts to fix common problems instantly. I just would reply It’s not in my job Description. Make a role for me in Support or give me one of the many programming jobs and I’ll do it.
So they started writing me up for insubordination.
After the second write up I told them they were only guaranteeing that I would leave the company. I wouldn’t wait for the 3rd strike and I’m out. I told them they have turned support into a Dead Sea. They would make it impossible for their best employees to stay and they would all leave, Like the water in the dead Sea, leaving only the salt, the people who don’t perform / care.
Took me all of 30 days to find a programmer gig with twice the pay. I should have left them years ago. Moral of the story is this, The business doesn’t give a shit about you, Don’t misplace your loyalty. There is no honor in staying at workplace that doesn’t work with you.
And my prediction of the Dead Sea effect taking hold after I left has shone to be quite true. When I was there, they would end the week every week with an empty bucket. Avg ticket closes per rep were 100+ (fantastic for us). After I left they haven’t seen the bottom of the bucket once. It’s thousands deep and avg rep is closing only half what they used to. The friends I have still there (not in support but can see tickets) say that everyone left is clueless. [
assholes. what morons.
