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  • cmoney@lemmy.world
    1642·
    9 months ago

    Every accusation is a confession. Also it’s funny to think everyone is a latent homosexual all they need is to come in contact with another homosexual to activate their homosexuality.

    • someguy3@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      541·
      9 months ago

      Many of them think being gay is a choice because they are bisexual. So for them it’s a choice on whether or not to act on it. So they project that it’s a choice for everyone.

    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
      30·
      9 months ago

      Considering all the other things they consider temptations, if it’s half as fun as everything else they hate, I might have to try this being gay thing!

    • hglman@lemmy.world
      11·
      9 months ago

      It’s sort of true. If you have been raised to suppress your wants of people of the same sex, being confronted with things that you find arousing and forbidden makes that suppression hard. That is, you are now aware that you are gay.

  • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world
    856·
    9 months ago

    Again, everything that a conservative says or thinks is projection. They tell on themselves constantly.

  • athos77@kbin.social
    772·
    9 months ago

    I think it’s more that “these people” didn’t used to ‘exist’ in their world: Sexual minorities weren’t talked about and were invisible for the most part. But since Stonewall and AIDS, LGBT+ people first decided and then learned not to hide themselves. Suddenly someone who you thought of as normal has ‘become’ gay. You obviously knew them well, it’s not possible they were hiding something from you, and there’s no chance your observations were incorrect - clearly, instead of you being wrong, something happened to them, something ‘turned them gay’ - it must have been the frogs, or music, or DnD, or something, it’s just impossible you were wrong!

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    631·
    9 months ago

    If you can be converted to being gay, then you were always gay. It’s like if you have to pray the gay away, you are gay my guy

    • aidan@lemmy.world
      13·
      9 months ago

      Weird I’ve heard about this from so many countries, from Japan to almost every communist country.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        21·
        9 months ago

        The US did it too for a while. The justification seems to have been something to do with left-handed versus right-handed brain processing or something like that. They were worried that they were going to get a generation of artists and poets and that no one would actually do anything industrial.

        Also there’s something in the Bible about people having left hands being agents of the devil, although it seems to only be in certain editions.

        The idea that left-handed people are more artistic than right-handed people has been debunked for years now and yet it’s still something people seem to think is true.

      • iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
        8·
        9 months ago

        Happened to my wife’s mother in the Netherlands in the 1950s. She did everything left handed but wrote right handed.

        By the 1970s this was over here, so I guess the southpaws were able to convert enough people to their godless ways. 😉

  • Sagrotan@lemmy.world
    353·
    9 months ago

    One day, 2 Church persons tried to talk to me about Jesus-guy, I bet them in and talked about 2 hours about free choice, real science and evolution. Tried to “discuss” it like they do it, just don’t let other arguments be valid and come back to the same shit again and again. I didn’t let them go until they almost panicked. Never heard from them again. Btw they didn’t touch their tea, hmm. I really tried to convert them to self-thinking, I still hope, something stays with them.

    • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
      4·
      9 months ago

      That doesn’t work, unfortunately. What tends to work is epistemology, where you try to get at how they know what they “know”, and the roots of their belief. It also helps if you really develop a rapport with someone, are genuinely empathetic, and aren’t asking obviously leading questions; you want to help someone begin to question their own beliefs, rather than telling them to justify their beliefs to you, if that makes sense.

      Really deconverting someone can take a long time.

      Check out Anthony Magnabosco some time; he’s got a YouTube channel dedicated to street epistemology.

  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world
    3219·
    9 months ago

    And by christians, you mean American Christians. The rest of the world’s god-botherers don’t do this. Yous are fucking weird bunch, that’s why yous got turfed out of Europe in the 15th century 😂😂

    • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
      24·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, there’s a lot of history to this, but it’s a part of why there’s so many unusual or distinctive off-shoots of Christianity that come from the US: Jehovah’s Witnesses, LDS, Seventh Day Adventists, Evangelicalism, etc…

      It’s not just the Puritans, in fact, it’s mostly not, though they’ve given us plenty of other cultural baggage.

      Because we weren’t our own nation, we didn’t have our own bishop in the church of English, so for ministers to get ordained they had to go to England to be trained and then come back.

      This gave rise to a conflict between the New Lights and Old Lights. The New Lights were basically proto-evangelicals and they determined that the proof of qualification to be a minister wasn’t a degree, education, or some church approval from overseas, but the ability to gather a church.

      This meant that charisma became the defining trait for a successful minister. They’re not educated and they’re terribly persuasive. This is why evangelicals have such terrible theology. There’s all these ideas that are mainstream evangelical ideas that never existed before this period.

      The rapture was created during this period. That’s right, for nearly 1800 years Christians wouldn’t even know what you meant if you said “the rapture” and now evangelicals wander around telling everyone to be prepared.

    • Agrivar@lemmy.world
      221·
      9 months ago

      So… the Catholic Church, well known for traveling the world to shove Jesus down everyone’s throats, is an American institution now? Got it.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
        42·
        9 months ago

        No, but they stopped knocking when Europe became more secular.

        I haven’t had anyone in the last 20 years come knocking on my door about religion. Especially not the Catholic Church.

    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
      71·
      9 months ago

      For real though

      It’s all the fun banning puritans who got booted out of the country after their coup and subsequent dictatorship finally got overthrown who were the bulk of the Thirteen Colonies, which largely just left the “love thy neighbour” Christians who actually campaign against racism, homophobia, climate change and whatever else can be seen as people insulting “God’s creation” which frankly I can completely get behind even if I don’t believe it as such.

      Frankly I don’t get the mind bending logic to ignoring all the “everyone is God’s child, he has made them as he sees fit, he loves them, you should love them too” stuff in the bible and skipping past to a small subsection which says that men shouldn’t sleep together, especially when they ignore the fact that the same section says that anyone who works on a Sunday should be put to death along with a bunch of other wild and wacky stuff that we just all collectively agree was a product of the time it was written…

      • conciselyverbose@kbin.social
        4·
        9 months ago

        Also Jesus pretty much tossed out all the “unclean” nonsense in Peter’s dream or whatever.

        I wonder how many of them follow the diet though.

    • Zink@programming.dev
      5·
      9 months ago

      I suspect that our home grown American and Christian homophobia is not Christian-based at all. People don’t like the thing that is different or icky, and instead of being introspective about why that is or if it’s the right thing to do, they see that the Bible or their preacher agree. Then it’s time to turn off the thought process and just go with it.

      It’s just a happy little evil coincidence. Typical biblical cherry picking being spoon fed to the base. Funny how little discussion they have about how the Bible has instructions for abortions and how to treat your slaves.

      • Dasus@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 months ago

        Christian homophobia is not Christian-based at all. People don’t like the thing that is different

        It’s just a happy little evil coincidence.

        It’s not. It’s an inherent quality in Abrahamic monotheistic religions.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism#Violence_in_monotheism

        The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.

        — Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan

        Christianity is inherently intolerant (see the 10 commandments).

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

        • Zink@programming.dev
          7·
          9 months ago

          Oh I wasn’t suggesting that Christianity was off the hook. It’s just that people do not require religion to be bigots.

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            Oh, so, perhaps… something along the lines of:

            With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. — Steven Weinberg

            …?

  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
    6·
    9 months ago

    Only the big evangelist types or Mormons which isn’t all Christians. I know plenty of Christians who are quiet about it and only talk about it if you bring it up, unlike people really into politics. Even with Mormons I’ve known many who don’t say anything about it and even sneak in coffee…

    Go to a Unitarian church where people will usually identify as Christian.

    • RedFox@infosec.pub
      21·
      9 months ago

      I’d have to agree with you, and appreciate the thought regarding not over generalizing Christians, but I understand why people tend to.

      Example: Remember cake lady from Indiana? She was a bigot. It pissed me off when she tried to use the excuse of ‘religious beliefs’. Since she specifically claimed Christianity, I call total BS on the grounds that Jesus NEVER treated anyone like shit (aside from the other religious people, which following that thought, means she would have gotten called out). Jesus always gave people grace, and then offered advise (specific to Christianity). I would so much rather people be honest and say they don’t like ____, instead of some BS hiding behind their own distorted version of faith. I don’t have to agree with their opinion, just don’t lie about it.

      Also, I’ve never had any person who’s gay try to ‘convert’ me, ever. You could get a bunch of comedy bits out of that one though. I have had mormons and jo’s witnesses come by. They were nice, but if I wanted to waste a bunch of time talking, I would definitely ask them to explain views on dancing, sexuality, etc.

      The only pro gay conversion I’ve ever been exposed to was movies/TV shows advocating for it being a ‘normal’ thing. I suppose that’s because in the US, it’s still considered ‘weird’ or wrong, and writers are trying to back it for what I imagine are civil rights reasons.

      I’m not sure why it’s so hard to stop caring about stuff that doesn’t matter (to me). I have never cared about a person’s orientation.

        • lutillian@sh.itjust.works
          21·
          9 months ago

          Holy shit, a Christian who actually stidies the Bible… You’re basically a unicorn.

          Romans 2:14;15 is my favorite thing to point out to the you’re going to hell because you’re not a Christian crowd. So baby of them like to preach that God is all loving and good and then are so quick to point out that because they pay lip service to their faith that they get to go to heaven and everyone else goes to hell despite them being obviously terrible people.

          I like to think there are a lot more like you and your type just tends to be the silent majority because it let’s me keep some faith in humanity…

            • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              This is true! So many spread hate and try and use Christianity as a vector for that.

              However, what you provided was still unbiblical. The fact of the matter is, EVERYONE is equally sinful. No matter of sexual orientation, past doings, etc. For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. A pious priest is no more deserving of heaven than a satanist. a charity worker is no more deserving of heaven than a mass murderer. It’s through Jesus that we are redeemed. And only Him. Salvation is a free gift which isn’t related to works, but to your heart attitude towards God and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Atonement.

              God bless you.

          • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            You have to cut off the rest of Romans, though, to reach that conclusion.

            ‭Romans 3:9-26 ESV‬ [9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, [10] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; [11] no one understands; no one seeks for God. [12] All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” [13] “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” [14] “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” [15] “Their feet are swift to shed blood; [16] in their paths are ruin and misery, [17] and the way of peace they have not known.” [18] “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” [19] Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. [20] For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. [21] But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— [22] the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. [26] It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

            And Jesus Himself said

            ‭John 14:6 ESV‬ [6] Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

            ‭Mark 16:16 ESV‬ [16] Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

            Universalism is a lie, unfortunately. And it’s a dangerous lie.

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          11·
          9 months ago

          However, the second option is impossible as St Paul continued to write in the next chapter, Romans 3

          ‭Romans 3:9-26 ESV‬ [9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, [10] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; [11] no one understands; no one seeks for God. [12] All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” [13] “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” [14] “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” [15] “Their feet are swift to shed blood; [16] in their paths are ruin and misery, [17] and the way of peace they have not known.” [18] “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” [19] Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. [20] For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. [21] But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— [22] the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. [26] It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.