Mine is that the Disney+ shows should not have any impact on the movies, that they should just be on their own.
The MCU should have ended a little after Endgame. The MCU Earth is now fundamentally different than current Earth to the point where it is harder to write resonant stories in that Earth.
That the MCU had to reach into the idea of multiverses is a symptom that the plot baggage of the MCU is now a drag on the franchise.
Not really a big reader of the comics, but from my understanding the multiverse isn’t really a fringe topic. Seems like it’s been a pretty central aspect of the comics for decades.
It has been. Because that’s how story lines keep rolling. Letting death get in the way of the story is just a detail we can worry about another time.
They are extremely boring with little to no real threat and tedious fights where you know who’s going to win anyway
Character development? Probably the only actual thing that dies
The only hot take for these types of surveys is: i don’t hate them.
What ever the subject is doesn’t matter. When you ask a group for input on their “hot take” devolves into a forum to shit on whatever the topic may be.
So my hot take is: I enjoy some of the movies while others I do not.
Right answer.
With the first wave of movies I was really excited and enjoyed them immensely. Now the novelty has long since worn itself out. The cinematic universe plot is convoluted to a point of blandness. The multiple universe angle is stupid in comics and aggravating in cinema. The streaming series (across the board) instead of getting me interested in the movies has instead inoculated me against all of the Disney IP’'s.
Not exactly Marvel related, but I’m an adult now. Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
They’re rare but are out there. I watched I Saw the TV Glow last weekend, really really nice film.
I will back this recommendation - it felt like I finally began to understand the trans struggle with this well made movie. Plays like a fever dream and hits like a truck.
The actual hot take is that most of these movies are actually pretty good in the context of their correlation to source materials. As critically acclaimed movies: debatable; but as an adaptation? Unbelievably they tie a really neat rope around a hodge podge of different ideas and oddly make it work.
The truly hot take is that these movies serve there purpose well and do a great job being a vehicle for the story in the comics (sometimes)
Marvel movies are mostly dogshit. The Marvel multiverse is just an excuse for them to keep churning out dogshit movies indefinitely cause “LOL MULTIPLE UNIVERSES MAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NO NEED TO RETCON”
Yeah, it is kind of a plot hole cheat code, but I’d rather they come up with fun new ideas under that premise, than just keep doing the same thing, or half-assing retcons like soap operas do. (That was actually Steve’s evil twin the whole time, and THIS is the real Steve)
The MCU has run out of steam after they got away from the A list heroes. It’s not that B- or C- list characters can’t do well, it’s just that it takes a talented writer/director to do it with a good movie, and Disney/Marvel just isn’t capable of getting that consistently on their own, they’re too safe & corporate. They’re just trying to recreate what made the original MCU run successful, but we’ve already seen that. I don’t know that there’s necessarily “superhero fatigue”, though trends in movies & pop culture come and go, that’s inevitable, but for me it’s more been “bad writing fatigue”, I’m just sick of their lazy ass shit writing, it’s insulting and I’m tired of being treated like that by the MCU.
The MCU did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, which were C tier at best.
I’m not sure how much credit Disney should get for that compared to James Gunn, considering they fired him and he was able to turn Suicide Squad into a hit as a result.
James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy. I’m not sure many others could’ve pulled it off as well.
When the MCU started I don’t think people considered Iron Man, Captain America, Thor as A list. They were just the properties they weren’t able to sell off yet. Doing these movies was a big gamble. They needed to succeed so they put their best effort into them and it paid off.
It’s always been garbage. Not this multiverse or after im3 or whatever. The movies have always been trash.
I feel the same way. I don’t mind anybody liking them, but I just don’t see the appeal. To me they’re so tremendously boring that I can’t stand watching them.
They kinda ruined it with the multiverse. Everything feels without consequence. Death is meaningless and there are no stakes now
I’m sure this is a hot take with how common I see the shit talking about multiverse being lazy.
The multiverse idea is dope.
It’s only the way they have been using it that sucks.
Into the Spider-Verse did it right. The comics have done it right. Cartoon series from the 80’s and 90’s did it right. The current MCU era is using it wrong.
I enjoyed the MCU up until Age of Ultron. The movies are almost all from the same mold, just with different names and look and that was true even before the first Avengers film. But it was new back then. The newness has worn off and it’s way past time the MCU evolves, or retires.
The exception are the Guardians of the Galaxy series. They are better made films that actually made me feel invested in the characters. The beginning of Guardians 3 is probably the best scene in the entire MCU.
Age of Ultron is where I started to check out too.
The last MCU movie I watched was Black Panther (the first). I enjoyed it well enough compared to the recent fair that I decided to go out on a high note.
Really? That awful CGI final act from black panther is so distractingly bad
By that point all the CGI was cringe AF, I can’t watch giant battle scenes without my minds eye seeing all the actors pantomiming on a massive green screen set. Really, one or two impressive practical effects and I might have stuck around longer.
At least BP had a couple new plot elements and wasn’t just the same movie with different beam colors. Not really new elements, but new for the MCU anyway.
Dude, it was just the lion king but worse. And tchalla character goes backwards, he was so cool in civil war (another overrated movie) but he’s punkd so hard in his own movie
For me, The Black Panther lost my interest when a super advanced, technologically-driven state decided that the best way to choose a ruler was to have two guys punch and kick each other.
Disney did what Disney does and killed it. They always take these big IPs and then stack so much bureaucracy around them that nothing ever gets done without getting approved by a committee that is approved by another committee which kills the artists original intent and messaging. They know that they can’t get experienced and talented artists to create their content anymore because they aren’t malleable enough so they either have to shove 10’s of millions down their throat or hire some wanker off the street. Then the wanker they hire off the street is always like “I don’t read the comics, lul XD!” And they right some shitty girlboss Mary Sue movie that no one likes then call all the fans racist, sexist, homophobes. Who was Agatha all along for? Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Who do you think writes half the stuff on AO3? This audience actually exists, and is fairly sizeable.
If it’s not for you, that’s fine. But a Marvel universe intended only for teenage boy nerds is pretty dull and repetitive; the MCU didn’t get that big by aiming solely for them.
And yeah, when you start gatekeeping, saying “those people don’t exist” and “you don’t belong here”, maybe it is time to take a look at your prejudices.
The AO3 fandom checked out around the time Steve ditched Bucky and Sam.
I think the magic is gone - now the shows and movie lack the flair and excitement of the previous era. Now it feels like the we don’t need x, we have x at home meme.
lol it seems like my hot take is that I still like it. 🤷♂️
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Didn’t mind Quantumania. It was fine. The writers clearly don’t know what either a technocracy or socialism is but that was the only part I had beef with.
Fucking Google the words you use when you’re not sure, jeez.
I’ve liked them all, but they’re not all equal. The Marvels wasn’t exactly my cup of tea, but it wasn’t meant for me, a 40 year old dude. It was meant for young girls and I have a feeling it will be a movie looked back upon fondly by many women in 15-20 years.
Superhero movies are big budget police procedurals where the goal of the heroes is always to protect the status quo.
